Keir Starmer

[Mr Kobayashi]

I know for a fact his dad was a tool maker.






And his mum.

I think she was a nurse.

 

[Postman Pep]

Keir Starmer: "I Still See Myself as a Socialist"

The frontrunner in Labour's leadership contest wants to reassure voters that he isn't a Blair in the making – and that he's more working class than you think.

www.vice.com

He'll claim to be anything to get votes.

and say anything...

Labour can win again if we make the moral case for socialism | Keir Starmer

The values I hold are our true values. I want to win the next election and establish a new, fairer economic model, says Labour leadership contender Keir Starmer

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rascal]

and say anything...

Labour can win again if we make the moral case for socialism | Keir Starmer

The values I hold are our true values. I want to win the next election and establish a new, fairer economic model, says Labour leadership contender Keir Starmer

www.theguardian.com

What a pitiful state UK politics is in, we have a choice between establishment patsies or establishment patsies, one lot wear a blue rosette, one wears a red rosette.

The continual purge of the left of the Labour party, Carlisle and Copeland CLPs are no more, one member banned for writing a letter to the Militant newspaper in the 1970s ffs. The party will not support the North east metro mayor as he is too left wing and its caused huge division in a traditional Labour stronghold.

A good few Labour MPs take money from private healthcare companies, the likes of the odious **** Streeting, Cooper, Reeves (pukes) and I hear Starmer too, but may be wrong, but why the fuck is he allowing it in the first place?

The left has now been marginalised to such an extent, Starmer and his cronies can quite happily occupy the old Tory one nation ground because the real Tories have moved to the right to keep the nutjobs on board.

Meanwhile the RW MEDIA is salivating over "woke", using tropes like Cultural Marxism and accusing the left of being anti free speech. It is not the left that are anti free speech or woke, it is the Liberal left moderates who are comfortable with the capitalist hegemony because its likely they are not working class and have no idea how the working class is suffering. Historically the people who occupy the right of the Labour party and its pan European acolytes are the first to embrace fascism.

I have thought long and hard about this and I have come to the conclusion that the Liberal left of the Labour party with its obsession around the EU and its damaging calls for a 2nd referendum has done far damage to the Labour party than the referendum ever did to the Tories, Yet even now there is a sub movement of rejoiners who want to use the Labour party as a vehcile to rejoin the capitalist club.


My mind fucking boggles at it all, i am a keen student of political economy and a big believer in democracy but i am at a real loss at the moment over where our country is heading as my views have been marginalised and deemed not acceptable for the public discourse and all i want is fairness, I dont want the wealthy punished but want them to pay more, i want our hospitals to work and be fully staffed, i want a transport system that works for the poor as well as it works for all, I want an end to people being homeless, i want a welfare system worthy of its name, i want refugees to be given a chance to enter the country properly, I want an end to shit being dumped into our rivers and lakes, i want people to be paid a fair wage for a fair days work, i want to see the end of foodbanks (how fucking embarrasing are they). No veteran should be on the streets, no old person without a care home, no person suffering from mental health issues ignored, no waiting lists in hospitals, i want our energy companies nationalised so they work for us not shareholders profits.


I love this country, I want what is best for everyone who lives here, that is the true measure of patriotism not the narrow minded bigoted view of the far right who believe you can only love this country if you hate those who are not.

Keir, i hope you prove me wrong, we need a Labour government, I will not my breath though as I have been conned before by your Blairite pals.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Full film coming out soon.

Awaits usual suspects to accuse it of being bollocks.

 

[metalblue]

What a pitiful state UK politics is in, we have a choice between establishment patsies or establishment patsies, one lot wear a blue rosette, one wears a red rosette.

The continual purge of the left of the Labour party, Carlisle and Copeland CLPs are no more, one member banned for writing a letter to the Militant newspaper in the 1970s ffs. The party will not support the North east metro mayor as he is too left wing and its caused huge division in a traditional Labour stronghold.

A good few Labour MPs take money from private healthcare companies, the likes of the odious **** Streeting, Cooper, Reeves (pukes) and I hear Starmer too, but may be wrong, but why the fuck is he allowing it in the first place?

The left has now been marginalised to such an extent, Starmer and his cronies can quite happily occupy the old Tory one nation ground because the real Tories have moved to the right to keep the nutjobs on board.

Meanwhile the RW MEDIA is salivating over "woke", using tropes like Cultural Marxism and accusing the left of being anti free speech. It is not the left that are anti free speech or woke, it is the Liberal left moderates who are comfortable with the capitalist hegemony because its likely they are not working class and have no idea how the working class is suffering. Historically the people who occupy the right of the Labour party and its pan European acolytes are the first to embrace fascism.

I have thought long and hard about this and I have come to the conclusion that the Liberal left of the Labour party with its obsession around the EU and its damaging calls for a 2nd referendum has done far damage to the Labour party than the referendum ever did to the Tories, Yet even now there is a sub movement of rejoiners who want to use the Labour party as a vehcile to rejoin the capitalist club.


My mind fucking boggles at it all, i am a keen student of political economy and a big believer in democracy but i am at a real loss at the moment over where our country is heading as my views have been marginalised and deemed not acceptable for the public discourse and all i want is fairness, I dont want the wealthy punished but want them to pay more, i want our hospitals to work and be fully staffed, i want a transport system that works for the poor as well as it works for all, I want an end to people being homeless, i want a welfare system worthy of its name, i want refugees to be given a chance to enter the country properly, I want an end to shit being dumped into our rivers and lakes, i want people to be paid a fair wage for a fair days work, i want to see the end of foodbanks (how fucking embarrasing are they). No veteran should be on the streets, no old person without a care home, no person suffering from mental health issues ignored, no waiting lists in hospitals, i want our energy companies nationalised so they work for us not shareholders profits.


I love this country, I want what is best for everyone who lives here, that is the true measure of patriotism not the narrow minded bigoted view of the far right who believe you can only love this country if you hate those who are not.

Keir, i hope you prove me wrong, we need a Labour government, I will not my breath though as I have been conned before by your Blairite pals.

For me the danger here is that, by winning, it crystallises the notion in the Labour Party that to win power you need to be much more like the tories. If he had at least stuck to some socialist notions we could see there was appetite in this country for a fairer society (which I believe there is).

I do have a certain sympathy for this (probably) incoming Labour government in that they don’t have the financial headroom to make commitments they would perhaps naturally gravitate towards however there is zero excuse to desert those socialist roots entirely even if it has to be pitched with a dose of realism - ie not this term. They have lurched so far and hard they have become more Tory than the tories - it’s almost like they are terrified to stand up for what they believe in and anyone in the party who isn’t is shown the door. Completely unnecessary in my opinion.

The fact you are hoping he is lying and will be more socialist when he gets in (and many traditional Labour voters probably feel the same way) tells us what a sorry state we are in right now. If they do fail to move back towards the centre-left at a minimum after an election victory then this suffocates the centre right and pushes the tories further right. Eventually that further right tory party will be elected when folk are fed up with the Labour government.

 

[Postman Pep]

On the subject of people hoping Keith is lying to them spare a thought (or a chuckle) for the FBPE crowd



Haven't read it but this paragraph says it all

 

[bluenova]

For me the danger here is that, by winning, it crystallises the notion in the Labour Party that to win power you need to be much more like the tories. If he had at least stuck to some socialist notions we could see there was appetite in this country for a fairer society (which I believe there is).

I do have a certain sympathy for this (probably) incoming Labour government in that they don’t have the financial headroom to make commitments they would perhaps naturally gravitate towards however there is zero excuse to desert those socialist roots entirely even if it has to be pitched with a dose of realism - ie not this term. They have lurched so far and hard they have become more Tory than the tories - it’s almost like they are terrified to stand up for what they believe in and anyone in the party who isn’t is shown the door. Completely unnecessary in my opinion.

The fact you are hoping he is lying and will be more socialist when he gets in (and many traditional Labour voters probably feel the same way) tells us what a sorry state we are in right now. If they do fail to move back towards the centre-left at a minimum after an election victory then this suffocates the centre right and pushes the tories further right. Eventually that further right tory party will be elected when folk are fed up with the Labour government.

For all the talk of him pivoting to the right, comparatively John McDonnell moved a lot further when he was trying to get Labour into power.

Labour fought 2017 on a platform that was very similar to Miliband's 2015 plans, and even by 2019 there wasn't a hugely ambitious socialist manifesto. McDonnell spent plenty of time courting business, insisting he wouldn't ever be reckless, and that Labour wouldn't rock the boat too much. The policies Labour announced at the last conference weren't that dissimilar in scope.

 

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[Mr Kobayashi]

For all the talk of him pivoting to the right, comparatively John McDonnell moved a lot further when he was trying to get Labour into power.

Labour fought 2017 on a platform that was very similar to Miliband's 2015 plans, and even by 2019 there wasn't a hugely ambitious socialist manifesto. McDonnell spent plenty of time courting business, insisting he wouldn't ever be reckless, and that Labour wouldn't rock the boat too much. The policies Labour announced at the last conference weren't that dissimilar in scope.

If John Macdonnell was the leader he probably would have beaten Theresa May in 2017, but he had a more checkered past of saying and doing silly things than Corbyn.

 

[bluenova]

If John Macdonnell was the leader he probably would have beaten Theresa May in 2017, but he had a more checkered past of saying and doing silly things than Corbyn.

He did - but he was also much more of a politician.

Note the stark contrast between the way they dealt with issues around the IRA. McDonnell apologised clearly and without any major caveats as soon as became Chancellor. Corbyn spent years getting annoyed when he was asked about it, and would regularly bring out his "violence on both sides" reply - which might have been sincere, but politically doesn't come across well, as it never shuts down the conversation.