Keir Starmer

[mexico1970]

Maybe if you spend your time on a forum discussing how to define the Working Class, you're not working class ;)

Hold my fucking wine :)

 

[mexico1970]

I’ve simply highlighted how he’s exaggerated his father’s job as a factory worker and used that to deflect from difficult questions.

Starmer’s comments about his father being looked down upon because he worked in a factory were OTT and out of touch for that matter.

noun
noun: working class; plural noun: working classes

1. the social group consisting primarily of people who are employed in unskilled or semi-skilled manual or industrial work.
   "he came from the working class"
   

adjective
adjective: working class

1. relating to or characteristic of the working class.
   "a working-class community"
   
   

It's not really hard to define what is meant by "working class" what is harder to come to terms with are people who still class themselves as working class when they are nothing like the unskilled people at the bottom of the rung.

You can most certainly feel working class because of your upbringing but it doesn't mean you are.

 

[bluenova]

Hold my fucking wine :)

Is that a pint of wine?

 

[Eccles Blue]

Maybe if you spend your time on a forum discussing how to define the Working Class, you're not working class ;)

That one made me laugh. :-)

 

[mexico1970]

Is that a pint of wine?

An Imperial pint, if I am feeling flush I may or may not stick an umbrella in it too.

A pint should cost no more than 5d :)

 

[west didsblue]

I’ve simply highlighted how he’s exaggerated his father’s job as a factory worker and used that to deflect from difficult questions.

Starmer’s comments about his father being looked down upon because he worked in a factory were OTT and out of touch for that matter.

You might be right and you might not be but there’s no evidence to prove it either way so it’s just your opinion.

 

[metalblue]

The definition changed over time, hand to mouth poor defines the newer version of the working class. There are lower working class people and upper class working people.

If you sit in a wine bar discussing your stocks you probably are not lower working class :)

I read somewhere not long ago that ~30% of UK are classed as working class but over 50% have working class values which probably explains why it’s hard to define.

Have you seen what’s happening to Orxale today? Up over 11%!! metal blue loves oracle.

 

[mexico1970]

I read somewhere not long ago that ~30% of UK are classes as working class but over 50% have working class values which probably explains why it’s hard to define.

Have you seen what’s happening to Orxale today? Up over 11%!! metal blue loves oracle.

The only shares I have mate are shares in a caravan :)

We should really just use the word poor or bottom of the ladder to describe the social position of people and people that are not on that ladder should stop punching down or in many cases acting like they are with them in some twisted way.

Politically new Labour dumped them, political parties even used the word "Underclass" to describe them.

 

[kaz7]

Boring these last few pages , what he can do as pm is all that really matters ffs

 

[bluejon]

It's not really hard to define what is meant by "working class" what is harder to come to terms with are people who still class themselves as working class when they are nothing like the unskilled people at the bottom of the rung.

You can most certainly feel working class because of your upbringing but it doesn't mean you are.

pretty sure it was the economist Thomas Picketty who argued that the working/middle/upper class definition doesn't work and we should look upon things as just two classes, wage earning and capital earning. there's obvious levels of education within the wage earning class, and there are people who can have feet in both camps, but ultimately, there's those who need that wage at the end of the month and there's those who don't. it also stops pitting the middle vs the working class which is always to the benefit of the upper class (if you use the 3 tiered definition)

 

[kaz7]

All starmer has to do tonite is stay calm and look confident and pm like , let sunak keep repeating his lies and getting airiated and shouty again

 

[TinFoilHat]

All starmer has to do tonite is stay calm and look confident and pm like , let sunak keep repeating his lies and getting airiated and shouty again

Beth Rigby moderating it. I hope she slaps them down for talking over her/each other.

 

[bluenova]

Beth Rigby moderating it. I hope she slaps them down for talking over her/each other.

It's a one after the other interview thing, so just audience heckling.

 

[TinFoilHat]

It's a one after the other interview thing, so just audience heckling.

Lovely.

So some reform bod will shout something in a Lincolnshire accent that no one will understand.

 

[metalblue]

Does anyone think he might mention his dad was a toolmaker?

 

[Postman Pep]

Does anyone think he might mention his dad was a toolmaker?

We need the tools to fix our nations potholes I know this because ....

 

[inchy14]

Beth Rigby moderating it. I hope she slaps them down for talking over her/each other.

She’s doing more of it than Sunak did.

 

[inchy14]

It's a one after the other interview thing, so just Beth heckling.

Fixed that.

 

[Bigga]

This version of the Conservative Party are many things but centrist is not one of them.

There's a reason Labour are 20 points ahead in the polls, they are virtually unchallenged in the centre ground.

I'm boring myself to death saying this over and over but whoever owns the centre wins, especially when it comes to Labour. Blair (and credit to Mandelson and Campbell for masterminding the strategy and comms) is the perfect example of this.

Sorry, I didn't see this as have been working and only dipping in here and there.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years, obviously, so your point is contradictory in presentation. If "whoever holds the centre wins" then haven't they been "centre" for 14 years via reelection?? But the metric you use claims the Tories aren't centre.

So have the Tories moved with the Overton Window or the voter...??

 

[inchy14]

We listening to Kier Starmer or Beth Rigby ffs.