I love when someone's morals and standards miraculously and coincidentally improve during a media shit storm. I'm glad his supporters have got comfort knowing their man suddenly saw the light and now see this as a positive.I’m actually pleased he has returned some of the cash value he received and his promise of setting up some standards is to be applauded imo so long as it happens and the public can see some real standards set and Westminster adhering to them.
You're right. But the rules were in force and I don't remember any party standing on a mandate to change those rules, nor do I remember loads of pressure from the electorate. The situation has only come to the forefront becuase they did disclose and follow the rules. Tie that in with the right wing press and you have a story. Only this morning on LBC, Nick Ferrari interviewed a government minister and was late for the news covering this, whilst not a single question on Ukraine or the Middle East crisis.His problem is that his main selling point was that now 'the grownups are in charge' and he is just better than his Tory colleagues even though his policy promises didn't amount to much. Having set himself upon a tall pedestal of anti-corruption he has to be squeaky clean.
It's a forum with a certain amount of anonymity. It's none of your business what his job is or mine what yours is.What and deprive himself of the chuckles we all have at your ramblings?
You still haven't told us what you do for a job so we can all decide if you're overpaid or not, the way you have regarding plumbers. I won't hold my breath!
Then don't be scathing about what a plumber, train driver or other occupation earns. It still remains anonymous if he's for example, an Estate Agent or pilot.It's a forum with a certain amount of anonymity. It's none of your business what his job is or mine what yours is.
You won't find many who don't think plumbers who earn lots if money though.
Better to use median salary as it avoids outlying figures that skew the average. Some organisations analysing pay use median for that reason.Here's some FACTs (mostly) from the internet that shocked me.
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Average annual earnings for full-time employees in the UK 2023, by percentile. In 2023, the average annual full-time earnings for the top ten percent of earners in the United Kingdom was 66,669 British pounds, compared with 21,000 for the bottom ten percent of earners.4 Jul 2024
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The latest government data (published September 2024) reveals that the mean average UK weekly wage (including bonuses) across all industry sectors (in England and Wales) is £689 gross. That's the equivalent to an annual pre-tax salary of about £35,830
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Average salary of a train driver, without overtime, would rise from £60,000 to £69,000 if Aslef members vote to accept.
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The Average Plumber salary in the UK is£37,995
Low£36,291 High£40,126
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Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK nurse is somewhere around the £37,000 to £42,000 a year mark. Interestingly, more than 50% of Adult nurses are between the age of 41 and 60.
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The average doctor in the UK is estimated to earn between £41,300 and £143,100. This value will be affected by the level of training of the doctor, the number of unsociable hours worked, and the doctor's job role.
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The average shop assistant salary in the United Kingdom is £22,388 per year or £11.48 per hour. Entry level positions start at £21,036 per year while most experienced workers make up to £28,176 per year.
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The average cleaner salary in the United Kingdom is £21,867 per year or £11.21 per hour. Entry level positions start at £20,731 per year while most experienced workers make up to £29,269 per year.
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My rule of thumb is that, if you are on less than the average £35,830 then you have my sympathy and support.
That's because they're not facts.Here's some FACTs (mostly) from the internet that shocked me.
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Average annual earnings for full-time employees in the UK 2023, by percentile. In 2023, the average annual full-time earnings for the top ten percent of earners in the United Kingdom was 66,669 British pounds, compared with 21,000 for the bottom ten percent of earners.4 Jul 2024
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The latest government data (published September 2024) reveals that the mean average UK weekly wage (including bonuses) across all industry sectors (in England and Wales) is £689 gross. That's the equivalent to an annual pre-tax salary of about £35,830
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And
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Average salary of a train driver, without overtime, would rise from £60,000 to £69,000 if Aslef members vote to accept.
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And
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The Average Plumber salary in the UK is£37,995
Low£36,291 High£40,126
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And
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Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK nurse is somewhere around the £37,000 to £42,000 a year mark. Interestingly, more than 50% of Adult nurses are between the age of 41 and 60.
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And
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The average doctor in the UK is estimated to earn between £41,300 and £143,100. This value will be affected by the level of training of the doctor, the number of unsociable hours worked, and the doctor's job role.
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And
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The average shop assistant salary in the United Kingdom is £22,388 per year or £11.48 per hour. Entry level positions start at £21,036 per year while most experienced workers make up to £28,176 per year.
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And
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The average cleaner salary in the United Kingdom is £21,867 per year or £11.21 per hour. Entry level positions start at £20,731 per year while most experienced workers make up to £29,269 per year.
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My rule of thumb is that, if you are on less than the average £35,830 then you have my sympathy and support.
Then don't be scathing about what a plumber, train driver or other occupation earns. It still remains anonymous if he's for example, an Estate Agent or pilot.
But let's not forget the reason why, plumbers and other tradesmen are now able to command a higher income.
No, I don't want to criticise what he earns as I'm almost certainly not an expert in that field to have an opinion. He just chucks out random views and opinions and very rarely backs them up, although better than some others on here, I admit.So you want to criticise what @Chippy_boy does/earn to stop him criticising what others earn? The irony.
What do you earn/do? Guess what it’s none of my fucking business….and I also don’t care.
The thing I've found really surprising - although not a new revelation, this became apparent many years ago on here - is the bitterness and resentment which runs deep through many of the posters. This manifests itself in a desire to not only see poorer people become better off, they actually want richer people to be worse off, irrespective of whether there's any benefit to anyone of that happening. They just don't like - in fact, it's stronger than that, some of them loathe - the idea that some people are loaded, and they would take pleasure in seeing money taken off them.It's a forum with a certain amount of anonymity. It's none of your business what his job is or mine what yours is.
You won't find many who don't think plumbers who earn lots if money though.
OK, I confess to being slightly irritated by it. But only slightly. What's infuriated me is his rank hypocrisy. He's been banging on about Tory sleeze and cronyism for years, speech after speech about it inside and outside parliament. And then within WEEKS of taking office, it's revealed he's been taking tens of thousands from Alli, who he then promptly gives a No.10 pass. Do you not agree that this is fucking outrageous? I cannot get my head around how someone could be so hypocritical and seemingly uncaring about how it might look. It boggles my mind, it really does.Clearly not.
No, I don't want to criticise what he earns as I'm almost certainly not an expert in that field to have an opinion. He just chucks out random views and opinions and very rarely backs them up, although better than some others on here, I admit.
If you look through my history you can probably guess what I did before I retired following ill health. But I'm also not the one who is choosing to decide and announce that certain trades and professions are not worth what they are paid.
Is it really that surprising, given who they all vote for?The thing I've found really surprising - although not a new revelation, this became apparent many years ago on here - is the bitterness and resentment which runs deep through many of the posters. This manifests itself in a desire to not only see poorer people become better off, they actually want richer people to be worse off, irrespective of whether there's any benefit to anyone of that happening. They just don't like - in fact, it's stronger than that, some of them loathe - the idea that some people are loaded, and they would take pleasure in seeing money taken off them.
And that's where this bizarre situation arises about wanting to know my income. they cannot get their heads around the fact that someone like me, who is actually no better off than most other people on this forum, is not similarly resentful and bitter. I really don't give a toss what someone else earns, and if they earn a fortune, then good luck to them (so long as they aren't criminals of course).
The paradox is these narrow-minded people rarely if ever criticize how much e.g. KDB earns, or Khaldoon or Sheikh Mansour's wealth. That's perfectly fine, but is a.n.other business man is worth a hundred million, it makes their flesh creep.
You really don’t do irony do you?The thing I've found really surprising - although not a new revelation, this became apparent many years ago on here - is the bitterness and resentment which runs deep through many of the posters.
Quote "Plumbers are grossly overpaid, just saying. But they still don't get to be earning £150k a year with a brilliant pension as they get more senior."The thing I've found really surprising - although not a new revelation, this became apparent many years ago on here - is the bitterness and resentment which runs deep through many of the posters. This manifests itself in a desire to not only see poorer people become better off, they actually want richer people to be worse off, irrespective of whether there's any benefit to anyone of that happening. They just don't like - in fact, it's stronger than that, some of them loathe - the idea that some people are loaded, and they would take pleasure in seeing money taken off them.
And that's where this bizarre situation arises about wanting to know my income. they cannot get their heads around the fact that someone like me, who is actually no better off than most other people on this forum, is not similarly resentful and bitter. I really don't give a toss what someone else earns, and if they earn a fortune, then good luck to them (so long as they aren't criminals of course).
The paradox is these narrow-minded people rarely if ever criticize how much e.g. KDB earns, or Khaldoon or Sheikh Mansour's wealth. That's perfectly fine, but is a.n.other business man is worth a hundred million, it makes their flesh creep.
It does, and thanks for the thoughts. Touch wood it is.The problem is we look at people based on our own perceived work, value and capability.
For example Mrs MB, if we are out for a meal at a restaurant, will think how long she has to work to earn the “tip” and if carrying a plate to the table is harder than what she does. I don’t think like that but her reasoning makes sense - I guess it’s human nature. Then you have your own capabilities - I can do plumbing and electrics, it then becomes a question of what is my time worth to me. I can’t plaster for love or money so will always have to pay the going rate if I want that done.
It’s all relative to the individual looking at it. Hope that all makes sense!!
And I hope your health is better these days
All politicians are hypocrites and liars and to expect otherwise is wholly unrealistic. The Tories lied about taxes not going up after the election if they were elected, and are pontificating about Starmer now despite them being on the take for the last decade. So he’s a hypocrite and so are they.OK, I confess to being slightly irritated by it. But only slightly. What's infuriated me is his rank hypocrisy. He's been banging on about Tory sleeze and cronyism for years, speech after speech about it inside and outside parliament. And then within WEEKS of taking office, it's revealed he's been taking tens of thousands from Alli, who he then promptly gives a No.10 pass. Do you not agree that this is fucking outrageous? I cannot get my head around how someone could be so hypocritical and seemingly uncaring about how it might look. It boggles my mind, it really does.