Keir Starmer

Blue Hefner said:
Why do people *hate* Starmer. I understand why people may disagree with him, find him incompetent or a poor communicator etc but I don’t know where the *hate* comes from
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No idea. He is a Labour politician and did win an election so that is enough justification for the print media. I get that people can’t warm to him, and while I’m not looking for a best mate as PM, it does seem important for a lot of people. Starmer has upset a lot of vested interests; Farmers, Landlords etc and upset his own side with immigration and the battle over welfare, so not entirely a surprise he is short of friends especially in his own camp.

The hate though does seem a tad OTT. Maybe it’s just the times we live in where everything has to be turned up to 11.
 
BobKowalski said:
No idea. He is a Labour politician and did win an election so that is enough justification for the print media. I get that people can’t warm to him, and while I’m not looking for a best mate as PM, it does seem important for a lot of people. Starmer has upset a lot of vested interests; Farmers, Landlords etc and upset his own side with immigration and the battle over welfare, so not entirely a surprise he is short of friends especially in his own camp.

The hate though does seem a tad OTT. Maybe it’s just the times we live in where everything has to be turned up to 11.
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Doesn’t matter currently which party is in power as we would still all be facing a shit show. The Country is fast going down the pan and people and especially the press are too impatient
 
Beginning to feel those Council elections were a social experiment.
Fast moving developments in MSM this morning exposing the corruption on the right and far right . Seems some right wing journalists and right wing media ( observer and times ) have had enough of Farage , Tice and Reform.
Interesting developments for sure
 
Blue Hefner said:
Why do people *hate* Starmer. I understand why people may disagree with him, find him incompetent or a poor communicator etc but I don’t know where the *hate* comes from
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Because people see him for what he is. An absolute slimeball of a politician who will say absolutely anything and mean not a word of it.

Everything is "my top priority" to please the crowds, when in reality nothing is. A man who said he would put the interests of the country ahead of that of the party, and the party ahead of him as an individual. When in reality none of that is true.

A man who said he will always take responsibility for the mistakes of others he leads... And then sacks them.

A man (a steaming hypocrite in fact) who was first to jump up and down at any hint of Tory sleeze, yet says "nothing to see here" when caught doing same.

It is a cliche to say "How can you tell when a politician is lying - you can see their lips move." But Starmer embodies that sentiment more than any politician in living memory.

And people can smell it. That's why they hate him.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Why do people *hate* Starmer. I understand why people may disagree with him, find him incompetent or a poor communicator etc but I don’t know where the *hate* comes from
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Starmer was always going to be attacked by the many types of media and knew himself that this would happen when he referred to ‘Protecting his family’. Remember, even before the election count had finished, there was a poll to get the election redone and Labour out, very much supported by the media. All very Trumpian.

The biggest part for me, though, is the actual policies that Labour have enacted. They’ve done well to keep the markets stable but huge policy decisions like pay rises, workers rights, and taxing business to pay for the services that we all need, upset a huge majority of those who want to keep more for themselves.

Then there’s the struggle of regulation over deregulation where many outside forces, such as those from the US, want to see us far less regulated and more to a US type of society where the NHS is not free, pay is less and if you fall on hard times you are out on your arse with no real safety net.

You also have the Labour Party with multiple factions, where there will always be infighting over various policies and who they want to lead them. There were a lot of MPs/Councillors/Members who never wanted Starmer but went along with it as they had a chance to switch benches into power.

And, let’s not forget Starmer’s fuck-ups. Accepting a pair of glasses and watching a game of football. Allowing Reeves to dictate social policies by trying to cut the Winter Fuel Payment and Welfare Bill. Interesting when you look at it now, knowing that Farage can accept a personal payment of £5 mil, with a further £9 mil to his party.

Starmer isn’t the problem, so to say, but he is the face of the party that wants to at least put people first. The elites do not like this, therefore the establishment do their thing, aided by some in his own party.
 
Ban-jani said:
I blame Boomers, not that I’m saying you’re one by the way.
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So you’re putting the blame on 25% of the population? The very people who faced post war issues.

I was born in 59, had an outside bog, a tin bath hung up in the kitchen when not in use, no central heating just a coal fire. It inspired my generation to work hard and plan for our future, we did it to ensure our children didn’t have the same hardship as we had.

And now, because we were responsible you’re blaming us? Please do explain.
 
Chippy_boy said:
No, I wasn't.

That's the difference between me and the bitters on here. I don't resent people doing well for themselves.
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Nah, you're a cock who wants a Reform, Restore and Tory coalition.
Don't bother replying as I won't be engaging any further.
 
cookster said:
Nah, you're a cock who wants a Reform, Restore and Tory coalition.
Don't bother replying as I won't be engaging any further.
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Hate the keyboard warrior attitude of aggression, if you disagreed with someone during a conversation in a pub, would you call him a “cock” to his face? Take a breath, think about your argument but don’t get personal, it’s uncalled for.
 
From sky

Is Catherine West, the backbench MP for Hornsey and Friern Barnet, the woman who is going topple Keir Starmer and see a seismic Labour victory unravel just two years in?​


It's by no means impossible.

MPs are angry. Some believe she could get the numbers out of sheer disgruntlement. One tells me: "What have we got to lose?"

The 81 names she needs to get on the ballot paper to become the next prime minister would be a tall order for a relatively unknown MP.

But to launch the race, she doesn’t actually need the numbers, she only needs to inform the NEC tomorrow. Things could unravel from there.

Wes Streeting, whose allies say he is not "plotting" but "planning" just in case, does not want to be first over the top. But could he launch a bid if it looks like events are moving in that direction?

Angela Rayner, for now, is eerily silent. Both will be weighing up where this West business goes over the coming days and how it frames any potential leadership challenge. There is a distinct possibility no one moves and West becomes a footnote in political history.

You may not immediately recall the name Anthony Meyer. He was the little-known backbench MP who challenged Margaret Thatcher for the leadership in 1989. She won overwhelmingly, by 314 votes to his 33, but the moment sparked something. The prime minister, challenged again a year later by Michael Heseltine, was gone within 12 months.

John Major survived the "put up or shut up" leadership challenge in 1995. Jeremy Corbyn won decisively when challenged by Owen Smith in 2016. Both men, however, were booted out by the electorate not long after.

The prime minister hopes to rally the troops with a rousing speech tomorrow. Will Starmer have the rhetorical flair to revive his weary party?

Allies point to his conference speech after the bruising 2021 Hartlepool by-election, when he declared "my dad was a toolmaker", a speech widely seen to have saved his leadership.

A number of MPs and ministers tell me what they want to see is policy.

Downing Street is pointing to Europe as the new dividing line, and we are likely to hear more about that in the coming days. But can the prime minister really talk about change within the limits of his red lines on the customs union and single market? Not to mention that on Brexit, immigration and so much else, Labour MPs want very different things.

Or will West unravel Starmer’s plans for a reset before they have even begun?

It’s going to be an interesting week.
 
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