dronefromsector7G
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To me watching MPs on TV do their stuff is like watching Eastenders. A fake world full of actors. Hence discussing politics for me is like discussing soap operas.
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Ken Livingston
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Monkfish
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Livingstone is a prick, but I still would like the state of Israel to treat the Palestinians a little better
malg
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Does anyone think Labour would lose one single vote because a couple are anti-semitic? Might cost them a few votes for those who are undecided.
Monkfish
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Does anyone think Labour would lose one single vote because a couple are anti-semitic? Might cost them a few votes for those who are undecided.
Nope, but they might lose millions for dealing with every issue in a shambolic fashion
Prestwich_Blue
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You're right.I think the gist of it is saying hitler was a Zionist. A Zionist being someone who supports Jews and the state of Israel. My understanding is it is crass in the extreme to accuse hitter of doing anything in support of the Jews. He only supported an arrangement to get them to Israel for his own benefit and not because he was a supporter of Israel. Pb - please correct me if I am wrong.
First time for everything. ;-)
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You're right.
First time for everything. ;-)
Watch it!!!
Prestwich_Blue
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No we don't know it. What he was saying or inferring was that Hitler wasn't that ill disposed to Jews initially and wanted to help them emigrate from Germany to what was then Palestine (although he used the word 'Israel' which completely demonstrates his lack of any grasp of historical facts and kills his argument stone dead).You both know what he meant, Livingstone is far from racist or a antis emetic as can be, Galloway is spot on and you both know it !
He's also saying that somehow Hitler went mad later on and ordered the extermination of the Jews. Again, this simply isn't true. Hitler made his views on Jews clear in Mein Kampf and that it had to be (in his eyes) 'them' or 'us'. The Holocaust came about as part of an escalating process which involved the start of the war and the invasion of Poland in 1939, when Jews were herded into ghettos and then Russia, when mass killings started. But Hitler was still afraid of upsetting the USA. Once the USA was in the war, there was no further barrier to mass extermination and the orders to start the industrialised killing of Jews were given.
Galloway and Livingstone claim and probably genuinely believe they aren't anti-semitic. But they're like people who say (and I've heard people say this) "Well I don't like Jews but you're one of the OK ones".
Now instead of just saying they're right, like a parrot or broken record, how about using some facts to back up your argument that they are indeed right? Good luck with that.
Benarbia_is_god
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Nope, but they might lose millions for dealing with every issue in a shambolic fashion
I clicked on this thread to say this. Spot on. Mcdonnell was asked about anti-semitism in his party earlier this year on Andrew Marr, he said it would be dealt with yet here we are debating it in April. Anyway what is Livingstones role in the party now? He's not elected by anyone is he? So why is he blabbering.
Corbyn was meant to come to Wales today on the campaign trail, Welsh Labour told him not to come down! They are embarrassed to be associated with him at the minute. Corbyn has surrounded himself with the London clique a group which contains a lot of undesirables and the long term consequences will see him be completely unelectable in 2020.
The facts are there that as the German leader he oversaw and let his Government sign an agreement to assist with Jews moving to Palestine.
Like I said earlier Livingstone said this in a ham fisted way and now the media are out to get him.
That's my opinion of how it's come about anyway, take it of leave it
Like I said earlier Livingstone said this in a ham fisted way and now the media are out to get him.
That's my opinion of how it's come about anyway, take it of leave it
urmston
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Livingston reminds me of those old people who lose all inhibition and come out with all sorts of bile while insisting that they are speaking good old plain common sense.
What a spectacular and disgraceful way to bow out of politics.
That a man with such poisonous views was once an MP and mayor of a city of 8 million people is frightening.
What a spectacular and disgraceful way to bow out of politics.
That a man with such poisonous views was once an MP and mayor of a city of 8 million people is frightening.