Leave it now mate, the point is he's not said anything wrong
He was supporting Zionism in a way that's why they had an agreement in 1933, that's a fact !
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He was supporting Zionism in a way that's why they had an agreement in 1933, that's a fact !
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Yes I'll leave it there as you clearly haven't understood my point and I can only say it so many times before it gets boring.
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True
Prestwich_Blue
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The point is that you really haven't got a fucking clue and are just wumming. So give it a rest. For one thing, there was no Israel in 1932 so that's certainly not a historical fact, plus he didn't care where the Jews went as long as they weren't in Germany. He certainly wouldn't have supported the idea of a Jewish state, which is what Zionism is. Livingstone's comment was ridiculous in the extreme and has no relationship with any facts.
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Is George Galloway wumming then? Or just wrong?
Prestwich_Blue
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He's largely wrong.
Hitler didn't sign the Haavara Agreement - it was the Finance Ministry - and was actually critical of it as it appeared to aid the Jews in Palestine, which he certainly had no intention of doing. It was only later on, around 1937, that he thought it might be a good idea but only because it would cause problems for the British, who were faced with the Arab Revolt over Jewish immigration to Palestine.
By that time, immigration of Jews to Palestine had more or less been stopped in any great numbers and the British were more concerned with placating the Arabs. Sending Jews there had the benefit (from a German point of view) of wrecking and relationship between the British and Arabs and therefore threatened British strategic interests in a key part of the world. It was an extension of a pre-Nazi agreement signed in 1932. There was also a boycott of German goods by many Jews, in protest against anti-semitic acts in Germany. It wasn't significant in economic terms but was embarrassing for Germany and they were worried about the impact it could have. The agreement was a convoluted way of breaking that boycott so to use the Haavara Agreement to state that Hitler supported Zionism is downright misleading at best.
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George Galloway has spent much of his life trying to conflate Zionism with Nazism so it's hardly a surprise when he supports someone else doing the same thing.
Really, I never mentioned Israel so you give it a "fucking" rest if you want it like that or a decent debate about something that happened in history, you really are tiresome as you obviously have a view that nobody else can have a view on something.