Ken Livingston

[Prestwich_Blue]

Reply to the above and we have a dialogue, otherwise we can ignore each other and go our separate ways.

All you do is quote my own posts back at me and add nothing of your own but obfuscation. What is the question you're asking me to reply to?

And answer my question - what do you understand by 'anti-Zionism'?

This guy - is he anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic?

 

[Helmet Cole]

All you do is quote my own posts back at me and add nothing of your own but obfuscation. What is the question you're asking me to reply to?

And answer my question - what do you understand by 'anti-Zionism'?

This guy - is he anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic?

Very close to the line! In fairness the interviewer was trying his hardest to make it about Jews, whereas the interviewee was trying his hardest to avoid that word. I did wonder if he was getting stitched up ,but the quote (if it was true?) He attributed to netanyahu was a little too close to Holocaust denial for comfort IMHO. Don't know anything about downing tbh, but he sounds like he probably has some good points but they are ruined by his being a bit of a conspiracy nut.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You're trolling, Off you go.

Likewise.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I think a lot of people walk upon the rice paper ever so carefully
Anti semetic is anti semetic
If they wish to dumb it down by included zionism as a seperate entitiy then so be it
If you hate jews then just come out and say it
We know who you all are.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I think a lot of people walk upon the rice paper ever so carefully
Anti semetic is anti semetic
If they wish to dumb it down by included zionism as a seperate entitiy then so be it
If you hate jews then just come out and say it
We know who you all are.

Tbf its a bit of a fucking minefield to say the least isn't it? I've learned a bit (in between the mud slinging) from this thread, but if anything I feel less able to critisise Israeli foreign policy now than before. The terms isreal/i, Zionism, Jewish are so inextricably linked it would seem its genuinely very difficult to have a pop at one without offending the whole?. I think this is in equal part the fault of anti-semites hiding their poison behind other terms, as well as netanyahu and other RW isreali politicians deliberately blurring the lines in terminology to stifle uncomfortable debate.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Tbf its a bit of a fucking minefield to say the least isn't it? I've learned a bit (in between the mud slinging) from this thread, but if anything I feel less able to critisise Israeli foreign policy now than before. The terms isreal/i, Zionism, Jewish are so inextricably linked it would seem its genuinely very difficult to have a pop at one without offending the whole?. I think this is in equal part the fault of anti-semites hiding their poison behind other terms, as well as netanyahu and other RW isreali politicians deliberately blurring the lines in terminology to stifle uncomfortable debate.

And that's probably the best and most succinct post in this thread. Both extremes have made rational debate almost impossible.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Beautiful.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I thought so too pal.
A favourite of mine

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

interesting insights....

 

[cibaman]

The controversy reflects the increasing tendency of politicians to play the man rather than the ball. The right demonise immigrants and benefit claimants. The left demonise capitalists. It seems that the left are incapable of separating out legitimate criticism of Israeli policy without ending up abusing ordinary Israelis.