Ken Livingston

Agree with you about Johnson. That was racism.
Cameron admitted he had used an inappropriate analogy and apologised. That was just stupidity.

Yet these were said years ago and nothing was done, which was the point.
If Labour were mooching about about with a known racist such as the buffoon Johnson is, you would be screaming to high heaven.
Other than that there was a previous incident with him writing in the trollolograph, Johnson mocked Tony Blair's globetrotting: "What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies," he wrote. It also mentioned "watermelon smiles".
That was 2002 and we are still waiting for some rebuke from the tory party.

Shah apologised for stupidity, she have been left there then, according to your analysis.
 
They have what to do with Ken Livingston other than the pair of you measuring dicks?
I would have thought that antisemitism or racism within any party was legitimate discussion in this thread. The Cameron comment was nothing to do with it but KTL never misses an opportunity for a bit of Cameron bashing.
 
Yet these were said years ago and nothing was done, which was the point.
If Labour were mooching about about with a known racist such as the buffoon Johnson is, you would be screaming to high heaven.
Other than that there was a previous incident with him writing in the trollolograph, Johnson mocked Tony Blair's globetrotting: "What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies," he wrote. It also mentioned "watermelon smiles".
That was 2002 and we are still waiting for some rebuke from the tory party.

Shah apologised for stupidity, she have been left there then, according to your analysis.
Not really, as I said on another thread, her comments about Israel were the the equivalent of saying that West Bradford should be moved to Pakistan which would clearly be racist.
 
Ken Livingston is an old fool who needs booting out of labour, his comments about Hitler being a Zionist is laughable,
but John Mann taking the high ground on this is even more laughable,

John Mann was the most vocal in defending Phil Woolas when he sent out racist leaflets in Oldham trying to stir up trouble between the Asian & white community,
Woolas then sent an email to his campaign staff saying "if we don't get the whites angry I'm done for", Woolas was later booted out of parliament because of it and triggered a by-election, yet Mann still supported him.

And let's not forget that Mann's parliamentary best buddy was the disgraced ex-mp Denis McShane who he supported to the hilt.

the bloke is a fraud who speaks a lot but has nothing to say.
 
This problem of Labours seems to be getting bigger, it's hitting the top level as well as grassroots.
 
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/n...ith-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

Statement on “Labour’s problem with antisemitism”
From the Jewish Socialists’ Group

Antisemitism exists and must be exposed and fought against in the same way as other forms of racism by all who are concerned with combating racism and fascism.

Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same. Zionism is a political ideology which has always been contested within Jewish life since it emerged in 1897, and it is entirely legitimate for non-Jews as well as Jews to express opinions about it, whether positive or negative. Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews.

Criticism of Israeli government policy and Israeli state actions against the Palestinians is not antisemitism. Those who conflate criticism of Israeli policy with antisemitism, whether they are supporters or opponents of Israeli policy, are actually helping the antisemites. We reject any attempt, from whichever quarter, to place legitimate criticism of Israeli policy out of bounds.

Accusations of antisemitism are currently being weaponised to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a “problem” of antisemitism. This is despite Corbyn’s longstanding record of actively opposing fascism and all forms of racism, and being a firm a supporter of the rights of refugees and of human rights globally.

A very small number of such cases seem to be real instances of antisemitism. Others represent genuine criticism of Israeli policy and support for Palestinian rights, but expressed in clumsy and ambiguous language, which may unknowingly cross a line into antisemitism. Further cases are simply forthright expressions of support for Palestinian rights, which condemn Israeli government policy and aspects of Zionist ideology, and have nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism.

The accusations do not refer to antisemitic actions but usually to comments, often made on social media, long before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership. Those making the charges now, did not see fit to bring them up at the time, under previous Labour leaders, but are using them now, just before mayoral and local elections, when they believe they can inflict most damage on the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.

The attack is coming from four main sources, who share agendas: to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour; to defend Israeli government policy from attack, however unjust, racist and harmful towards the Palestinian people; and to discredit those who make legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy or Zionism as a political ideology. As anti-racist and anti-fascist Jews who are also campaigning for peace with justice between Israelis and Palestinians, we entirely reject these cynical agendas that are being expressed by:

• The Conservative Party

• Conservative-supporting media in Britain and pro-Zionist Israeli media sources

• Right-wing and pro-Zionist elements claiming to speak on behalf of the Jewish community

• Opponents of Jeremy Corbyn within the Labour party.

The Jewish Socialists’ Group recognises that ordinary Jewish people are rightly concerned and fearful about instances of antisemitism. We share their concerns and a have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of migrants”. The Conservative Party demonstrated their contempt for Lord Dubs, a Jewish refugee from Nazism, when they voted down en masse an amendment a few days ago to allow 3,000 child refugees into Britain while Labour, led by Jeremy Corbyn, gave total support to Lord Dubs and his amendment.

The Jewish Socialists’ Group sees the current fearmongering about antisemitism in the Labour Party for what it is – a conscious and concerted effort by right-wing political forces to undermine the growing support among Jews and non-Jews alike for the Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, and a measure of the desperation of his opponents.

We stand against antisemitism, against racism and fascism and in support of refugees. We stand for free speech and open debate on Israel, Palestine and Zionism.

Posted: 28 April 2016
 
This problem of Labours seems to be getting bigger, it's hitting the top level as well as grassroots.
Yep is a shite state e affairs. The fact the party has been mugged by politicians whose foreign policy is liberal and home affairs borderline communist, it's all very confusing especially for the electorate. Some of these quotes aren't stupid they're beyond worrying. For me it's making labour unelectable for a third term. I wonder if David (the right brother) was an mp now if we'd be in this mess. I also wonder what would happen if a Jewish mp made similarly disgusting comments about another faith, perhaps they have I'm sure 'someone' will enlighten me
 

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