Kevin De Bruyne 2016/17

[Kompany is King]

I would have De Bruyne in the team. Every time.
It is up to the manager to get the team setup right to enable the creative players to be able to play in the same team together.

 

[kaz7]

Any chance the 3 of you could stop going around in circles?
Just asking :)

 

[schfc6]

Again Dax, watch this clip.




Now, tell me where Torres is when Barcelona have the ball.
Tell me how in got in so much space.
Tell me Barcelona's keepers position.

Now, Chelsea have lumped it forwards,

Tell me how deep their line is.
Tell me if anyone is breaking their neck to support Torres.
Tell me what Cech is asking his defenders to do.
Where are the full backs?
Are Chelsea pushing up? Sitting deep?


I know, we all know you can't. You can't answer any of those simple questions, why? Are you blind? Are you an idiot?


No, it's not available for you to see. The footage is simply not there to offer you that information.

Now this video is only one clip, but I can show you TV footage of a 1000 goals, 10,000 goals. If the footage doesn't allow it you'll never be able to answer some very basic questions.

So, back to the point, Silva's attributes are often missed by the camera. Much like you can't see Torres in the clip, you can't see Silva or anyother players movement for that matter if it's not on camera.

 

[mancity1]

Nope. Completely flawed argument.

I saw everything at the game, all of the off the ball movement. No matter how many times you watch your youtube clip, no matter how recently or fresh in your memory it is, you will never be able to see that movement. It's simply not there.

Your analysis is the equivalent of someone robbing a bank vault. Me seeing the accomplices first hand and watching their every move. You are watching a CCTV footage of the inside of the bank, but unfortunately the robbers aren't on that footage. They are downstairs in the vault where I am. There's no cameras.

You can watch the CCTV footage of the upstairs of the bank on a loop for the rest of your life if you want, but you won't ever have the insight I have because I saw the whole thing take place.

It's an absurd argument you are trying to have, and it's in everyone's best interests that you stop now because you're becoming silly and "emotional" about it ;-)

How was our off ball movement against West Ham?

I have only seen it a few times on my tele , slowed down sometimes to 24 frames per second and I felt we didn't get enough players into key positions often enough in their final third when we had possession.

 

[Dax777]

Yes, as I've highlighted above. A video doesn't show the whole game. Never has. The basis of this ludicrous arguement, Silva's attributes are more evident at a game than on video. Much of his work is off the ball.

As the Torres video highlights, there is no way when watching on TV or a video that you can see everything. Can see everything at the game, and then use videos and highlights to re watch specific actions.

Again, this is a laborious argument. I said as much from the beginning: its answer lies in the individual's bias.

It's a question of do you want a clear picture of what's happening in the most important area and its immediate surrounding or do you want a stagnant and picture of the whole field with only a great view of the section you seat for in front of

I choose the former. Lots of others do the latter, I think they are WRONG, but I can't proof it.

I can only proof that one viewing in the stadium is inferior to multiple views on video and the ability to manipulate.

 

[Shaelumstash]

How was our off ball movement against West Ham?

I have only seen it a few times on my tele , slowed down sometimes to 24 frames per second and I felt we didn't get enough players into key positions often enough in their final third when we had possession.

Lol! I'll take your word for it mate! Unfortunately I couldn't make the West Ham game due to work commitments, so had to watch it on the TV. You never quite get the same appreciation for players positions off the ball when they don't show it! My imagination is clearly not as good as some of our TV expert friends on here.

 

[schfc6]

Again, this is a laborious argument. I said as much from the beginning: its answer lies in the individual's bias.

It's a question of do you want a clear picture of what's happening in the most important area and its immediate surrounding or do you want a stagnant and picture of the whole field with only a great view of the section you seat for in front of

I choose the former. Lots of others do the latter, I think they are WRONG, but I can't proof it.

I can only proof that one viewing in the stadium is inferior to multiple views on video and the ability to manipulate.

No it doesn't lay with individual bias. I've asked where Cech is stood, You can't fucking see it. You've literally no idea. You can't answer any of those simple questions because you haven't seen it.

There are large aspects of a game that aren't televised. Over 50% would be my guess. So no, it's not individual opinion, it's not bias. It's simple fact. If I go to a game, I can see everything I want to see, I can then watch everything a camera man wants me to see. Without being at the game this is impossible. To argue otherwise is moronic.

If you can't see the actions of every player, how is a better view.? Especially when it comes to the arguement of movement? Leave it there mate. It's painfully evident you've never set foot on a pitch or in a stadium.

Your last point sums it up brilliantly. You can't prove anything, as you haven't seen it. It's not on camera.

If in the clip I highlighted someone in the ground bet you £1000 that Cech was doing push ups in the box, you simply couldn't beg against him. Why? Because you haven't seen it. So if you haven't seen it, how have you got proof of anything?

 

[Dax777]

Again Dax, watch this clip.




Now, tell me where Torres is when Barcelona have the ball.
Tell me how in got in so much space.
Tell me Barcelona's keepers position.

Now, Chelsea have lumped it forwards,

Tell me how deep their line is.
Tell me if anyone is breaking their neck to support Torres.
Tell me what Cech is asking his defenders to do.
Where are the full backs?
Are Chelsea pushing up? Sitting deep?


I know, we all know you can't. You can't answer any of those simple questions, why? Are you blind? Are you an idiot?


No, it's not available for you to see. The footage is simply not there to offer you that information.

Now this video is only one clip, but I can show you TV footage of a 1000 goals, 10,000 goals. If the footage doesn't allow it you'll never be able to answer some very basic questions.

So, back to the point, Silva's attributes are often missed by the camera. Much like you can't see Torres in the clip, you can't see Silva or anyother players movement for that matter if it's not on camera.

1. Torres got in so much space coz he snuck out after attempting a tackle and was crowded by 3 Barca players, you could see him continue running forward as they turned to start another attack.

If you pause your video at .04 Seconds, you can count all 10 Barca player within 2 greens of the 18 yard box, Torres in frame .02 can be seen sneaking out behind them I doubt he did anything supertechincal once he exited the frame. He just made sure he didn't cross the half line. I know that coz he'd have been offside if he went too far.

2. What Cech is asking his defenders to do I can't not hear, nor could mist people at the stadium over the noise.

The question of what Chelsea is doing as Torres runs towards Barca' s goal is silly. Even at the gam , no one is probably foxusing their attenruon on that eevida in, or care. They are entranced by what Torress might do or not do.

But again, I'm not arguing which is better, just that evidence that one is because managers do it is not proof. Furthermore, the ability to see a larger picture is not proof you have a better picture. Analogy here: if I am looking for details about a house, a picture of the neighborhood its in gives me one view, a picture of the street its on gives me another, a picture of the house itself with just its adjacent neighboring houses gives me another perspective

The one that gives me the best perspective, depends on what my goal is.

 

[schfc6]

1. Torres got in so much space coz he snuck out after attempting a tackle and was crowded by 3 Barca players, you could see him continue running forward as they turned to start another attack.

If you pause your video at .04 Seconds, you can count all 10 Barca player within 2 greens of the 18 yard box, Torres in frame .02 can be seen sneaking out behind them I doubt he did anything supertechincal once he exited the frame. He just made sure he didn't cross the half line. I know that coz he'd have been offside if he went too far.

2. What Cech is asking his defenders to do I can't not hear, nor could mist people at the stadium over the noise.

The question of what Chelsea is doing as Torres runs towards Barca' s goal is silly. Even at the gam , no one is probably foxusing their attenruon on that eevida in, or care. They are entranced by what Torress might do or not do.

But again, I'm not arguing which is better, just that evidence that one is because managers do it is not proof. Furthermore, the ability to see a larger picture is not proof you have a better picture. Analogy here: if I am looking for details about a house, a picture of the neighborhood its in gives me one view, a picture of the street its on gives me another, a picture of the house itself with just its adjacent neighboring houses gives me another perspective

The one that gives me the best perspective, depends on what my goal is.

Call it a day mate, you're clueless. You can't answer the simple questions because you can't see it. End of really. That clip simply highlights that Sky are covering 2 players whilst the other 19 are out of shot. They could be doing anything.
This is not specific to this clip, it's specific to all TV coverage. More often than not, more is going on out of shot than in.


Again, the base arguement, was regards Silva and what he does out of shot. You can't possibly answer because you've never seen it. On the flip side, I've seen countless games in the flesh and on the TV. I can tell you the difference, anyone who's been to a game will tell you likewise.

There is zero arguements to had.

 

[mancity1]

Lol! I'll take your word for it mate! Unfortunately I couldn't make the West Ham game due to work commitments, so had to watch it on the TV. You never quite get the same appreciation for players positions off the ball when they don't show it! My imagination is clearly not as good as some of our TV expert friends on here.

Neither is mine.

I have watched many a game live and many a game live on TV and watched replays to pick up things that I didn't catch first time around when watching live on TV when you can slow the motion or speed the motion if need be.

Most people watch what there eyes focus on (LOL) which is often the player with the ball and the action immediately around the ball ,hence the reaction in crowd noise when events happen around the ball movement.

As for what is more pertinent or more fulfilling that's a subjective thing largely dependant on other factors but I am not sure as to what you mean by the tele view not showing the whole game.

I agree you cannot see the whole pitch at once unless the camera lens is high enough and focussed enough from the playing surface but I don't get the idea of what players not in immediate view of the camera movement out of view until they are in view has on the appreciation of the game from either vantage point