york away to this!
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hertsblue said:
...if he was still manager we would be two points clear at the top.
in his head
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Kia the **** speaks....
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...if he was still manager we would be two points clear at the top.
in his head
richard_conway Richard Conway
Joorabchian: You can't ever criticise him [Tevez] for wanting to play. Has played in situations where docs have told him not to play
richard_conway Richard Conway
Joorabchian claiming City interpreter got it wrong IS correct. I had answers interpreted last week. See my timeline for the key
“@martynziegler: @richard_conway your translation puts Tevez in a bad light”
Joorabchian: You can't ever criticise him [Tevez] for wanting to play. Has played in situations where docs have told him not to play
richard_conway Richard Conway
Joorabchian claiming City interpreter got it wrong IS correct. I had answers interpreted last week. See my timeline for the key
“@martynziegler: @richard_conway your translation puts Tevez in a bad light”
MaxCityBlue
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I'm sick and tired of this bloody pantomime.
Does Kia realise how much of a clown he looks trying to back track on Tevez's post match interview. I know Tevez isn't the most proficient linguist at MCFC, but surely even he can tell the difference between "Carlos, you're up next" and "Tevez fuck off, you'll never play for this club again!".
Do us all a favour and jog on!
Does Kia realise how much of a clown he looks trying to back track on Tevez's post match interview. I know Tevez isn't the most proficient linguist at MCFC, but surely even he can tell the difference between "Carlos, you're up next" and "Tevez fuck off, you'll never play for this club again!".
Do us all a favour and jog on!
brummie blue
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Kia and Carlos have had over a week to come up with something better than blaming a member of City's staff who can speak Spanish, the poor guy isn't employed as an interpreter and was the only guy Carlos could find in his panic to correct his wrong doing and start the damage limitation exercise.
On the night of the game Sky didn't show all of the Geoff Shreeves interview with Carlos, seeing it all since, a member of City staff attempts to pull the interpreter away but Carlos tells him to stay.
I'd think far more of Carlos if he'd just put his hands up and say he got it wrong, apologise and take his punishment like a man.
On the night of the game Sky didn't show all of the Geoff Shreeves interview with Carlos, seeing it all since, a member of City staff attempts to pull the interpreter away but Carlos tells him to stay.
I'd think far more of Carlos if he'd just put his hands up and say he got it wrong, apologise and take his punishment like a man.
I think that it was an excellent interview by Joorabchian!
Any reasonable person who had, for genuine reasons, said that he or she would like to hear the Tevez side of the story before judging him should finally accept that there is no legitimate justification for his behaviour in Munich.
Joorabchian made no attempt to explain what Tevez actually did, why he did what he did and / or what he actually said in the post-match interview about what he did. After one week to prepare, the best Joorabchian could do was to avoid answering questions directly and to attempt to obfuscate the real issues.
Joorabchian even implied that there was a misunderstanding between Tevez and Pablo Zabaleta. Perhaps this was to call into question what Pablo was reported to have said to David McDonnell of the Mirror: "Carlos just didn't want to play". Or perhaps it was to question what Joorabchian fears Pablo may have said to the City inquiry team.
Sadly there are some Bluemooners - thankfully few in number - who will not be reasonable about this matter and who will continue to aid and abet the Tevez-Joorabchian campaign to obfuscate what happened in Munich and to portray City, and particularly Mancini, in the worst possible light (whilst professing to be the true supporters of the club). Those who have followed the Tevez threads over the last week know who they are. I appreciate that it is difficult not to respond to the drivel they have been churning out. But I really think that the best way to deal with them would be for everyone else to ignore them completely.
Any reasonable person who had, for genuine reasons, said that he or she would like to hear the Tevez side of the story before judging him should finally accept that there is no legitimate justification for his behaviour in Munich.
Joorabchian made no attempt to explain what Tevez actually did, why he did what he did and / or what he actually said in the post-match interview about what he did. After one week to prepare, the best Joorabchian could do was to avoid answering questions directly and to attempt to obfuscate the real issues.
Joorabchian even implied that there was a misunderstanding between Tevez and Pablo Zabaleta. Perhaps this was to call into question what Pablo was reported to have said to David McDonnell of the Mirror: "Carlos just didn't want to play". Or perhaps it was to question what Joorabchian fears Pablo may have said to the City inquiry team.
Sadly there are some Bluemooners - thankfully few in number - who will not be reasonable about this matter and who will continue to aid and abet the Tevez-Joorabchian campaign to obfuscate what happened in Munich and to portray City, and particularly Mancini, in the worst possible light (whilst professing to be the true supporters of the club). Those who have followed the Tevez threads over the last week know who they are. I appreciate that it is difficult not to respond to the drivel they have been churning out. But I really think that the best way to deal with them would be for everyone else to ignore them completely.
WhitbyBlue
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The fact is, Carlos got it wrong and I want the book to be thrown at him. As for that dirty slimeball of an agent, Kia, he can just climb back under the rock he came from.
I am sick of this situation, at first I wanted to keep Tevez at the club and let him run down his contract in the reserves, But now I want rid of the fucking parasite. Fuck 'em all! Disrespectful cunts.
I am sick of this situation, at first I wanted to keep Tevez at the club and let him run down his contract in the reserves, But now I want rid of the fucking parasite. Fuck 'em all! Disrespectful cunts.
hertsblue said:this should be fun. Sky just said "after the break we will get the views of Mark Hughes on Manchester City".
Expecting a fair and not biased in any way view from him.........
Seems Kia is in overdrive now
As if he will say anything different why don't they get someone with no connections with Kia the ****(thats his name from now on)
LittleStan
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Re: Kia the cnut speaks....
I have not read the whole thread so this might have been pointed out.
This evening Talksport mentioned this and that Kia stated misinterpretation. Then they read out and apparently official interpretation of what Teves said, hey ho it was the same as the lad interpreted last week.
Out of interest, who has supported Tevez on here?
Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A. said:Tevez adviser Kia Joorabchian says interpreter got it wrong and the player did not refuse to play
Surely if this is on video then it can be translated correctly or confirmed as correct translation ................
I have not read the whole thread so this might have been pointed out.
This evening Talksport mentioned this and that Kia stated misinterpretation. Then they read out and apparently official interpretation of what Teves said, hey ho it was the same as the lad interpreted last week.
Out of interest, who has supported Tevez on here?
toffee balls
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Carlos Tevez is our past and has been since the day Kun signed on the dotted....
This whole charade is smoke and mirrors.
I could not give a monkeys about him or this situation.
All kia is doing is mopping up the shit behind his client.
Sell him for two bob if needs be,I wont care one bit.
Thanks for the memories El Apache.
You have now outstayed your welcome..
Tarraaah
This whole charade is smoke and mirrors.
I could not give a monkeys about him or this situation.
All kia is doing is mopping up the shit behind his client.
Sell him for two bob if needs be,I wont care one bit.
Thanks for the memories El Apache.
You have now outstayed your welcome..
Tarraaah
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Below is the complete transcript of the Joorabchian's interview.
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Kia Joorabchian on Carlos Tevez in Munich: the complete interview transcript
Controversy erupts on Manchester City's bench in Munich.
Today at the Leaders In Football summit, held at Chelsea FC's Stamford Bridge, a hastily arranged Q&A with Carlos Tevez's representative Kia Joorabchian was organised. Asking the questions was former executive director of the FA David Davies.
Below is the full transcript of their conversation about the incidents in Munich last week, when Carlos Tevez is alleged to have refused to come off the bench for Manchester City in a Champions League game.
I do not offer any comment or opinion on the contents of their discussion, and instead leave you to make up your own mind. The press will of course select some choice quotes for their stories in tomorrow’s papers. But for completeness, here’s everything Joorabchian said on Tevez before the discussion moved to more global football matters.
DD: Did Carlos Tevez refuse to play for Manchester City at any stage?
KJ: Well there’s an internal investigation going on, so whatever I say here is my opinion and not Carlos’s. I haven’t spoken to him about it. What the investigators think and what Carlos thinks is their issue. I’ve tried to keep at arm’s length from it. I am party to some extra information that I hopefully will not divulge today! The main thing is that what happened was an issue of a lot of confusion. While I don’t believe that it’s correct for any player to behave in a manner that is contrary to that of his club, events have been judged prior to the real outcome coming out. We didn’t actually see what really happened. We only saw the TV footage, which shows it in a different light.
What’s your interpretation of what happened then?
My interpretation of the footage is that there is a lot of arguing going on down on the bench when Edin Dzeko comes off. They showed Carlos warm up during the first half with two other players. In the second half when they showed the bench, we didn’t see Carlos and they then showed that he and Nigel De Jong were warming up. He was warming up even as De Jong comes on. We then see him walk back to the bench, and as he’s walking back to the bench there’s a god-awful row between Roberto Mancini and Dzeko. We see this row carrying on and Carlos then sits down. We see this row continuing, we see the physical trainer is talking to Carlos, and Carlos then stands up to go towards somewhere. There is some more shouting and he sits right back down. So, that’s what we see from the video footage. And from then on we are going by what Mancini says.
Do you believe he refused to play?
I know Carlos in totally different light to most people in this room and around the world, since he was an 18-year-old boy. You can criticise him for anything, but one thing you can’t criticise him for is his commitment on the pitch, or for not wanting to play. There have been several times at Manchester City and throughout his career where he’s taken injections, played with swollen ankles or in situations when doctors have told him not to play. There was a situation at Corinthians where the medical department came to me before the Libertadores semi-final with River Plate and said “Carlos cannot play, he is not fit”. I then hear that there is a massive row going on and people were saying “You need to get down to the dressing room ASAP”. I go down and the coach says: “You’ve got to help me out. Carlos wants to kill the doctor.” He then played the full 90 minutes.
So you’re saying that this is a misunderstanding and he didn’t refuse to play?
This is my opinion that he didn’t refuse to play. Throughout his career he has been one who fights to play. He joined City when he had offers from Real Madrid and Manchester United. United gave him an offer, as did Madrid and City. He was one of the first players to join City’s new vision. It is a great vision. I have the honour of knowing Sheikh Mansour and sometimes that vision is not portrayed properly. Carlos was brought in to help and start that vision. So he feels very differently towards the club. He had a very intense feeling at end of his first season when they missed out on qualifying for the Champions League. He took that very personally. In the second season his performances on the pitch were outstanding.
There are a lot of issues around this. Carlos does speak English, but his English is not good enough to conduct a full-blown interview.
But did he say, as he was interpreted as saying, “I did not feel right to play, so I did not play”?
One of the biggest problems right after a game when questions are asked is that things get put out of context and if you don’t have a very professional interpreter then you have a problem. I speak both languages and I listened to the questions in English and the interpretation in Spanish. The interpretation was incorrect. Both questions and both of Carlos’s answers were misinterpreted. Geoff Shreeves says “What is the truth?”. Carlos says something like “the truth is, at this point in time, how am I going to be in a mental state to play?”. The interpreter then says something very different. The second question is Shreeves
Are you saying that whatever the outcome of the enquiry, he would want to stay at Manchester City?
Again, there is an investigation going on, and I don’t really want to speak about what Carlos does and doesn’t want to do.
Do you think he knows what he wants to do?
I think he feels that he has been judged before the case has been looked into. Manchester City are in a very difficult position, and Carlos is in a very difficult position.
Wouldn’t it have been better to say “I’m sorry if this was the impression I gave to the manager”?
Just to clarify, I was not aware of the statement before he released it. But he did release a statement and it clearly said that it was a misunderstanding and he did apologise. If you look at the bench, it seems there was a misunderstanding with Zabaleta – and I’m not saying there was or wasn’t – but we should wait until the investigation has run its course and analyse its findings. And at that point both Carlos and Man City need to sit down and have a conversation.
Could the manager and player be reconciled again?
This is something for the two of them to work out. It’s a personal relationship between two people. You’ve seen this happen all through the summer with Fabregas, Nasri, Modric, the list goes on – those are just the high-profile names from throughout the summer. People handing in transfer requests, refusing to travel, refused to play – I think this is a problem in general.
Are you actually saying [those players] refused to play?
Well, I can say that my opinion is that they refused to play, but that they refused to play in a different way. Those situations were handled in a different way; their managers and clubs handled them very differently.
So Roberto Mancini should’ve handled it a different way?
Roberto has his style of management, it’s very direct and totally different to Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Carlo Ancelotti. Fabregas had a big problem throughout the summer, Modric put in a transfer request and I think he didn’t play in Spurs’ first European game and it was reported that he didn’t want to play. Whether that’s true or not, we don’t know. Every manager and every club handles situations differently. Carlos’s situation has been handled in a different manner. Carlos and Roberto now have to deal with the manner in which it has been handled.
So is Carlos Tevez, as some people have suggested, easily lead? Or is he quite tough?
I think any person in the world that knows Carlos knows that he has a very strong opinion on everything. One thing he’s always said and reiterated all the time is that he resents the fact that people think he can be [easily lead]. He’s come up from the bottom and has reached the top of his game. He hasn’t done that by not being a very strong character. He’s a very, very strong independent character and if you speak to any of his teammates and managers – either current or past – they will tell you he’s a very different character to this.
Posted by Narrow The Angle at 18:36
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Kia Joorabchian on Carlos Tevez in Munich: the complete interview transcript
Controversy erupts on Manchester City's bench in Munich.
Today at the Leaders In Football summit, held at Chelsea FC's Stamford Bridge, a hastily arranged Q&A with Carlos Tevez's representative Kia Joorabchian was organised. Asking the questions was former executive director of the FA David Davies.
Below is the full transcript of their conversation about the incidents in Munich last week, when Carlos Tevez is alleged to have refused to come off the bench for Manchester City in a Champions League game.
I do not offer any comment or opinion on the contents of their discussion, and instead leave you to make up your own mind. The press will of course select some choice quotes for their stories in tomorrow’s papers. But for completeness, here’s everything Joorabchian said on Tevez before the discussion moved to more global football matters.
DD: Did Carlos Tevez refuse to play for Manchester City at any stage?
KJ: Well there’s an internal investigation going on, so whatever I say here is my opinion and not Carlos’s. I haven’t spoken to him about it. What the investigators think and what Carlos thinks is their issue. I’ve tried to keep at arm’s length from it. I am party to some extra information that I hopefully will not divulge today! The main thing is that what happened was an issue of a lot of confusion. While I don’t believe that it’s correct for any player to behave in a manner that is contrary to that of his club, events have been judged prior to the real outcome coming out. We didn’t actually see what really happened. We only saw the TV footage, which shows it in a different light.
What’s your interpretation of what happened then?
My interpretation of the footage is that there is a lot of arguing going on down on the bench when Edin Dzeko comes off. They showed Carlos warm up during the first half with two other players. In the second half when they showed the bench, we didn’t see Carlos and they then showed that he and Nigel De Jong were warming up. He was warming up even as De Jong comes on. We then see him walk back to the bench, and as he’s walking back to the bench there’s a god-awful row between Roberto Mancini and Dzeko. We see this row carrying on and Carlos then sits down. We see this row continuing, we see the physical trainer is talking to Carlos, and Carlos then stands up to go towards somewhere. There is some more shouting and he sits right back down. So, that’s what we see from the video footage. And from then on we are going by what Mancini says.
Do you believe he refused to play?
I know Carlos in totally different light to most people in this room and around the world, since he was an 18-year-old boy. You can criticise him for anything, but one thing you can’t criticise him for is his commitment on the pitch, or for not wanting to play. There have been several times at Manchester City and throughout his career where he’s taken injections, played with swollen ankles or in situations when doctors have told him not to play. There was a situation at Corinthians where the medical department came to me before the Libertadores semi-final with River Plate and said “Carlos cannot play, he is not fit”. I then hear that there is a massive row going on and people were saying “You need to get down to the dressing room ASAP”. I go down and the coach says: “You’ve got to help me out. Carlos wants to kill the doctor.” He then played the full 90 minutes.
So you’re saying that this is a misunderstanding and he didn’t refuse to play?
This is my opinion that he didn’t refuse to play. Throughout his career he has been one who fights to play. He joined City when he had offers from Real Madrid and Manchester United. United gave him an offer, as did Madrid and City. He was one of the first players to join City’s new vision. It is a great vision. I have the honour of knowing Sheikh Mansour and sometimes that vision is not portrayed properly. Carlos was brought in to help and start that vision. So he feels very differently towards the club. He had a very intense feeling at end of his first season when they missed out on qualifying for the Champions League. He took that very personally. In the second season his performances on the pitch were outstanding.
There are a lot of issues around this. Carlos does speak English, but his English is not good enough to conduct a full-blown interview.
But did he say, as he was interpreted as saying, “I did not feel right to play, so I did not play”?
One of the biggest problems right after a game when questions are asked is that things get put out of context and if you don’t have a very professional interpreter then you have a problem. I speak both languages and I listened to the questions in English and the interpretation in Spanish. The interpretation was incorrect. Both questions and both of Carlos’s answers were misinterpreted. Geoff Shreeves says “What is the truth?”. Carlos says something like “the truth is, at this point in time, how am I going to be in a mental state to play?”. The interpreter then says something very different. The second question is Shreeves
Are you saying that whatever the outcome of the enquiry, he would want to stay at Manchester City?
Again, there is an investigation going on, and I don’t really want to speak about what Carlos does and doesn’t want to do.
Do you think he knows what he wants to do?
I think he feels that he has been judged before the case has been looked into. Manchester City are in a very difficult position, and Carlos is in a very difficult position.
Wouldn’t it have been better to say “I’m sorry if this was the impression I gave to the manager”?
Just to clarify, I was not aware of the statement before he released it. But he did release a statement and it clearly said that it was a misunderstanding and he did apologise. If you look at the bench, it seems there was a misunderstanding with Zabaleta – and I’m not saying there was or wasn’t – but we should wait until the investigation has run its course and analyse its findings. And at that point both Carlos and Man City need to sit down and have a conversation.
Could the manager and player be reconciled again?
This is something for the two of them to work out. It’s a personal relationship between two people. You’ve seen this happen all through the summer with Fabregas, Nasri, Modric, the list goes on – those are just the high-profile names from throughout the summer. People handing in transfer requests, refusing to travel, refused to play – I think this is a problem in general.
Are you actually saying [those players] refused to play?
Well, I can say that my opinion is that they refused to play, but that they refused to play in a different way. Those situations were handled in a different way; their managers and clubs handled them very differently.
So Roberto Mancini should’ve handled it a different way?
Roberto has his style of management, it’s very direct and totally different to Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Carlo Ancelotti. Fabregas had a big problem throughout the summer, Modric put in a transfer request and I think he didn’t play in Spurs’ first European game and it was reported that he didn’t want to play. Whether that’s true or not, we don’t know. Every manager and every club handles situations differently. Carlos’s situation has been handled in a different manner. Carlos and Roberto now have to deal with the manner in which it has been handled.
So is Carlos Tevez, as some people have suggested, easily lead? Or is he quite tough?
I think any person in the world that knows Carlos knows that he has a very strong opinion on everything. One thing he’s always said and reiterated all the time is that he resents the fact that people think he can be [easily lead]. He’s come up from the bottom and has reached the top of his game. He hasn’t done that by not being a very strong character. He’s a very, very strong independent character and if you speak to any of his teammates and managers – either current or past – they will tell you he’s a very different character to this.
Posted by Narrow The Angle at 18:36