Kloppy

[Benarbia_is_god]

We got some arrogance in this country to be fair! Seen a lot of Journos saying the Dortmund players have put a a few more £££s on their price tag after last night. They are a massive club, many will want to stay! Klopp included. He spent 8 years at his last club, I think he'll stay for a long time yet.

 

[Feed-The-Goat]

I'll keep Bobby thanks.

 

[johnbmcr]

a la Dortmund and Juergen Klopp, epitomised by last night and their last two campaigns.

In their last Champions League campaign they finished bottom of their group on four points.

Point taken.

THREE campaigns: Two titles and a German Cup competing against Bayern (only losing to them once in that time) and (what looks like) a Champions League Final.

Res ipsa loquitur

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[ell]

We got some arrogance in this country to be fair! Seen a lot of Journos saying the Dortmund players have put a a few more £££s on their price tag after last night. They are a massive club, many will want to stay! Klopp included. He spent 8 years at his last club, I think he'll stay for a long time yet.

The problem is german football tends to go in cycles with Bayern Munich the only real main stay at the top. The teams always seem to have spells of a few years competing with Munich and then its someone else. Leverkusen, Wolfsburg for example.

I mean look at Gotze thats unthinkable over in England

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Yeah all his players love him so much they fuck off at the first opportunity despite being able to realistically win everything if they stayed at Dortmund. Klopp is a good manager and were Mancini to go I wouldn't be against his appointment but Mancini is doing a good job. Ferguson has had worse seasons than this managing United. I'd hate for bobby to come on here and see these threads pining for other managers. He's done a lot for City, lets show him some respect and give him a chance to get right what went wrong this season.<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:29 am --<br /><br />

If you read my post properly you would see that I said 'lower' opposition which obviously does not include the likes of united, Chelsea, etc. There is no reason not to give the kids a chance occasionally if you're leading comfortably against a Wigan, QPR, or Aston Villa. Thats not going to hurt anyone and the kids will get some experience and confidence.

Do you know how well our EDS are doing at the moment?

When was the last time you saw them & who in particular stood out?

Well Suarez just scored twice last game. And every game, week in week out, lopes keeps on creating so many chances for his team, also a good amount of clear cut chances. He is a very impressing youngster with a tally of goals and assists behind his name.
Pozo did score in in 7 games in a row, he did not get a chance, not even a bench spot and now he is injured. just great..

He also ended that run by getting sent off for being a petulant little dickspring proving he isn't ready for the first team. Besides when would you have played these players, given that we went out of the league cup at the first hurdle ? Would a 10 minute cameo off the bench really make them into world beaters ?

 

[citytilidie85]

Just a question, how many managers have won the league in different countries? Just thinking of the top rated wons, PL, Spain, Italy, Germany maybe France. I'm not sure how many managers have, off the top of my head I can only think of a few. Mourinho is the biggest name I can think of, but he hasnt left a great legacy at Chelsea or Inter, he doesnt build for the future and thats what were about now. Bobby Manc is one of them, regardless of opposition, money spent etc... he has still won the league title in the PL and Italy, that's some going for me and hopefully he will challenge next year for us as well. It's all very well and good saying Klopp is better, but he's not won the CL and has only won in Germany (correct me if I'm wrong). People are getting too hung up on the CL, I'm not really bothered about it too be honest, yes would be great to win and progress past the league stages (even win a game maybe!). For me it's more about consolidating in the PL and making sure we challenge for that year after year. Europe will come eventually.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Taking the derby as an example, our bench was Pantilimon, Lescott, Dzeko, Kolarov, Javi Garcia, Aguero, Toure. This is with Rodwell injured and Sinclair not included. Which first team players would you drop for a 17 year old just in case were 3.0 up?

If you read my post properly you would see that I said 'lower' opposition which obviously does not include the likes of united, Chelsea, etc. There is no reason not to give the kids a chance occasionally if you're leading comfortably against a Wigan, QPR, or Aston Villa. Thats not going to hurt anyone and the kids will get some experience and confidence.

Even against those teams, if everybody's fit who you drop? If Aguero, Tevez or Dzeko were completely left out of a squad and Lopes was picked everybody would criticise Mancini for that.

These are exactly the problems facing the manager. Only against Villa were we ever "leading comfortably". Mancini had earlier played Razak and Suarez against Villa in a much changed team in the Capital One Cup and we had lost 4-2. He had brought Helan on as well. Against Watford he had brought Lopes on with a "comfortable" 2-0 lead, late on, and Lopes did well and scored. But picking a bench of kids in the sure and certain knowledge of a "comfortable lead" is a dangerous game for a club chasing trophies, especially when you look at the quality of those you could choose. The conclusion is clear; Mancini does not believe the "kids" are good enough yet. And I have to say that our academy is like other aspects of the club - developing. The position for "Kloppy" was different. He arrived at Dortmund in 2008 at a club only just getting over the near bankruptcy of 2005. He got through his first season but was dissatisfied with his team and went for youth. The point is that German youth development had been completely overhauled after the 200 euros, was on a different planet from anything in England and Dortmund were beneficiaries, having a group of excellent young players there who had been there since they were kids. City's academy was pale in comparison. Klopp has done an excellent job, but the lines of development were the only ones available to him and they were very fit for purpose.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

a la Dortmund and Juergen Klopp, epitomised by last night and their last two campaigns.

In their last Champions League campaign they finished bottom of their group on four points.

Shhhhh, dont spoil the thunder..;)

I think a better point is Klopp took 1 season to work out how to play in Europe. Mancini is still failing to figure this out in his 6th or 7th season

 

[Anonymous]

If we binned Bob and got Jeurgen, would we have to rename this place Kloppa Castle?

 

[Rolee]

If you read my post properly you would see that I said 'lower' opposition which obviously does not include the likes of united, Chelsea, etc. There is no reason not to give the kids a chance occasionally if you're leading comfortably against a Wigan, QPR, or Aston Villa. Thats not going to hurt anyone and the kids will get some experience and confidence.

Even against those teams, if everybody's fit who you drop? If Aguero, Tevez or Dzeko were completely left out of a squad and Lopes was picked everybody would criticise Mancini for that.

These are exactly the problems facing the manager. Only against Villa were we ever "leading comfortably". Mancini had earlier played Razak and Suarez against Villa in a much changed team in the Capital One Cup and we had lost 4-2. He had brought Helan on as well. Against Watford he had brought Lopes on with a "comfortable" 2-0 lead, late on, and Lopes did well and scored. But picking a bench of kids in the sure and certain knowledge of a "comfortable lead" is a dangerous game for a club chasing trophies, especially when you look at the quality of those you could choose. The conclusion is clear; Mancini does not believe the "kids" are good enough yet. And I have to say that our academy is like other aspects of the club - developing. The position for "Kloppy" was different. He arrived at Dortmund in 2008 at a club only just getting over the near bankruptcy of 2005. He got through his first season but was dissatisfied with his team and went for youth. The point is that German youth development had been completely overhauled after the 200 euros, was on a different planet from anything in England and Dortmund were beneficiaries, having a group of excellent young players there who had been there since they were kids. City's academy was pale in comparison. Klopp has done an excellent job, but the lines of development were the only ones available to him and they were very fit for purpose.

Well said, it's a point I was trying to make in another thread earlier but didn't put it as succinctly or as eloquently as that.