Kompany red card and appeal SUCCESSFUL

[Plain Speaking]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

 

[mancity1]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

I don't know any pundit or commentator who is passionate about it being a red card all the media I have seen is saying it should be overturned.

If Nzonsi's was overturned and there is any consistency and justice and we do a half decent job in presenting our case then it will be overturned.

I look at this objectively with all the video evidence available and unlike his sending off against Manure cannot come up with a shred of evidence to support Dean's decision.

Can anybody objectively support a sending off?

I am happy to hear from you in this thread if you can.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

Simple.....

Obvious error: "From my viewpoint, with Garcia moving across my sightline, it looked like Kompany lunged into a two footed tackle, as I indicated to the players at that time. I have since seen that this was a visual illusion and it is clear from other angles that Mr Kompany made a strong, but fair tackle with only one leg extended and the other bent under him."

As for the whole "two feet off the ground" BULLSHIT, I can agree that two feet off the ground lunging into a tackle with studs up and knees locked is the very definition of a RED CARD TACKLE.

However, do you know why Olympic Speed Walkers have such an awkward gait? Because it is the ONLY way to move at speed with ONE FOOT ON THE GROUND AT ALL TIMES! Has ANYONE EVER seen a player move like that on the football field, let alone running and tackling?!

Almost EVERY TACKLE made while a player is running is a "two feet off the ground" tackle.

BTW, and sorry if this has been mentioned a thousand times in the preceding pages, but WILSHIRE THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING THE RED CARD, until Dean turned to Kompany after he got the card out! In fact, Kompany made it clear to Dean that Wilshire chickened out of the tackle and simply went over the top, landing on Kompany, who was showing Dean where Wilshire caught him as he landed!!

As you can see from the still photo that advertises the clip, and as seen :10 seconds into the video, Wilshire is sitting on the ground AFTER THE CHALLENGE telling Dean he has:

1) Only made one foul prior to this one, or

2) He only went in one-footed,

because he sees Dean looking at him, he sees him reach for his back pocket. Dean continues to look at him as he brings his card out, but as he lifts the card high in the air, he turns to face Kompany!

To add insult to injury, Wilshire walks away clapping! PRICK!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnRKsjen0vw[/youtube]

 

[mancity1]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

Simple.....

Obvious error: "From my viewpoint, with Garcia moving across my sightline, it looked like Kompany lunged into a two footed tackle, as I indicated to the players at that time. I have since seen that this was a visual illusion and it is clear from other angles that Mr Kompany made a strong, but fair tackle with only one leg extended and the other bent under him."

As for the whole "two feet off the ground" BULLSHIT, I can agree that two feet off the ground lunging into a tackle with studs up and knees locked is the very definition of a RED CARD TACKLE.

However, do you know why Olympic Speed Walkers have such an awkward gait? Because it is the ONLY way to move at speed with ONE FOOT ON THE GROUND AT ALL TIMES! Has ANYONE EVER seen a player move like that on the football field, let alone running and tackling?!

Almost EVERY TACKLE made while a player is running is a "two feet off the ground" tackle.

BTW, and sorry if this has been mentioned a thousand times in the preceding pages, but WILSHIRE THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING THE RED CARD, until Dean turned to Kompany after he got the card out! In fact, Kompany made it clear to Dean that Wilshire chickened out of the tackle and simply went over the top, landing on Kompany, who was showing Dean where Wilshire caught him as he landed!!

As you can see from the still photo that advertises the clip, and as seen :10 seconds into the video, Wilshire is sitting on the ground AFTER THE CHALLENGE telling Dean he has:

1) Only made one foul prior to this one, or

2) He only went in one-footed,

because he sees Dean looking at him, he sees him reach for his back pocket. Dean continues to look at him as he brings his card out, but as he lifts the card high in the air, he turns to face Kompany!

To add insult to injury, Wilshire walks away clapping! PRICK!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnRKsjen0vw[/youtube]

Most of their players were pleading with the ref to do more in respect of tackles made by our players during the game especially in the second half as time went on.

Whether this was under instruction from the whiner Wenger or a tactic to unsettle the ref and appease the crowd I am not sure of but either way it was poor form and does Arsenal as a club no good whatsoever.

Unless they bring in some decent signings in what remains of the window they will not qualify for the chumps league next season.

I am as sure of that as Jose not becoming our next manager.

What Willshire did after the red was noted by all and sundry and will come back to bite him on his fat karma ass.

 

[jollylescott]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

I think there are substantial grounds for justice to be achieved.

First of all, precedence. There are not only the Gibson and Cole cases, but also the rescinding of the Rory Delap decision from 12 months ago (see youtube video of the tackle).

Secondly I would contend that Mike Dean's view was arguably at least partially obscured by Javi Garcia at the time of the incident. In addition he was disadvantaged by the angle from which he viewed the tackle. I would contend therefore that, through no fault of his own, that an 'obvious error' was indeed made.

Thirdly the still frame from side on clearly indicates that contact with the ball was well before contact with Wilshere.

Finally I noted the comments by Gab Marcotti, who I regard as one of the foremost football pundits. He referred specifically to the relevant law of the game. On each count he systematically demonstrated (on ESPN press pass) that there had not been a breach (on balance) of the relevant law.

If it comes down to demonstrating an 'obvious error', then the Delap case, as well as Mike Dean being partly obscured, would in my opinion satisfy the requirement. In saying that I am assuming the Tribunal would work on the balance of probabilities (the civil standard of proof).

Good luck Vinnie. Justice must be seen to be done in this case.

 

[lionheart]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

red card overturned apparently

I suggest that you give your so-called ITK source in Abu Dhabi a kick up the backside or maybe 20 lashes would be more appropriate in his case.

 

[Vic]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

I think there are substantial grounds for justice to be achieved.

First of all, precedence. There are not only the Gibson and Cole cases, but also the rescinding of the Rory Delap decision from 12 months ago (see youtube video of the tackle).

Secondly I would contend that Mike Dean's view was arguably at least partially obscured by Javi Garcia at the time of the incident. In addition he was disadvantaged by the angle from which he viewed the tackle. I would contend therefore that, through no fault of his own, that an 'obvious error' was indeed made.

Thirdly the still frame from side on clearly indicates that contact with the ball was well before contact with Wilshere.

Finally I noted the comments by Gab Marcotti, who I regard as one of the foremost football pundits. He referred specifically to the relevant law of the game. On each count he systematically demonstrated (on ESPN press pass) that there had not been a breach (on balance) of the relevant law.

If it comes down to demonstrating an 'obvious error', then the Delap case, as well as Mike Dean being partly obscured, would in my opinion satisfy the requirement. In saying that I am assuming the Tribunal would work on the balance of probabilities (the civil standard of proof).

Good luck Vinnie. Justice must be seen to be done in this case.

He should get off - if he gets the same people as were on Delap's panel; Mke Riley said he was astonished that was rescinded, and so am I. I suspect the FA will never use those panel members again, as that was an obvious red card.

 

[Darkhorse]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

If Gibson and Cole got off, why shouldn't Kompany. It's interpretation of the rules - not a clear mistake.

To an extent interpretation always means you will get inconsistency, but why always us? We are not a dirty team

The FA produce a short video on "wrongful dismissals"
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/rulebookanalysis/wrongful-dismissals.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ssals.aspx</a>
Overturning is only in "exceptional" circumstances and there must be an "obvious error."

Simple.....

Obvious error: "From my viewpoint, with Garcia moving across my sightline, it looked like Kompany lunged into a two footed tackle, as I indicated to the players at that time. I have since seen that this was a visual illusion and it is clear from other angles that Mr Kompany made a strong, but fair tackle with only one leg extended and the other bent under him."

As for the whole "two feet off the ground" BULLSHIT, I can agree that two feet off the ground lunging into a tackle with studs up and knees locked is the very definition of a RED CARD TACKLE.

However, do you know why Olympic Speed Walkers have such an awkward gait? Because it is the ONLY way to move at speed with ONE FOOT ON THE GROUND AT ALL TIMES! Has ANYONE EVER seen a player move like that on the football field, let alone running and tackling?!

Almost EVERY TACKLE made while a player is running is a "two feet off the ground" tackle.

BTW, and sorry if this has been mentioned a thousand times in the preceding pages, but WILSHIRE THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING THE RED CARD, until Dean turned to Kompany after he got the card out! In fact, Kompany made it clear to Dean that Wilshire chickened out of the tackle and simply went over the top, landing on Kompany, who was showing Dean where Wilshire caught him as he landed!!

As you can see from the still photo that advertises the clip, and as seen :10 seconds into the video, Wilshire is sitting on the ground AFTER THE CHALLENGE telling Dean he has:

1) Only made one foul prior to this one, or

2) He only went in one-footed,

because he sees Dean looking at him, he sees him reach for his back pocket. Dean continues to look at him as he brings his card out, but as he lifts the card high in the air, he turns to face Kompany!

To add insult to injury, Wilshire walks away clapping! PRICK!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnRKsjen0vw[/youtube]

Great post.

 

[johnny crossan]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

turkeyneck off message (or is he just provoking the FA?)

Manchester City defender Vincent Kompany's red card must be overturned or the day of the tackle will be dead
If Manchester City fail to get Vincent Kompany’s red card against Arsenal rescinded by the Football Association on Monday morning, it will send out the message that tackling has gone forever.

Wrong call: Vincent Kompany (left) walks at Arsenal but referee Mike Dean got this decision wrong Photo: GETTY IMAGES
By Alan Hansen6:30AM GMT 14 Jan 2013112 Comments
In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that, not only did Kompany win the ball, it was just about the perfect tackle. So I will be flabbergasted and astonished if referee Mike Dean decides to stand by his decision to dismiss the Manchester City captain following Kompany’s challenge on Jack Wilshere.
But his sending off is just the latest controversy surrounding a referee’s decision in recent weeks and it is getting to the point where we are close to needing some kind of Monday morning panel of officials and former players to iron out mistakes from the weekend.
I believe that it is an absolute certainty that Kompany will be cleared by the FA, though. His challenge was not two-footed and the ball was won cleanly, so I do not understand how the referee could even contemplate issuing a red card.
It would have been strange to see a yellow card brandished, never mind a red, especially when you compare Kompany’s challenge to that which saw Chelsea’s Marko Marin receive only a booking for a horrendous foul on Queens Park Rangers midfielder Stephane Mbia earlier this month.
In comparison to Kompany’s challenge on Wilshere, Marin’s was an out-and-out assault, yet he was only booked by the referee. The problems arise whenever a player goes to ground to make a tackle, but what the law makers and referees have to understand is that it is sometimes impossible to avoid sliding into a challenge.

If a defender stretches a leg out instead, that can be dangerous both to the player making the tackle and the one on the receiving end. But if yellow and red cards are brandished for innocuous challenges, the product of the game itself begins to suffer because we all want to see competitive games between two teams of 11 players.
By the letter of the law, you can just about understand Dean’s decision to send off Arsenal’s Laurent Koscielny in the same game for the foul on Edin Dzeko which resulted in a City penalty.
But in a perfect world, you would like to think that a booking and a penalty would be sufficient, if only for the sake of the game as a spectacle.
By the time the referee dismissed Kompany, the game had just begun to go out of his control and, having sent off Koscielny, there is always the possibility of the officials making a decision that evens things up a bit.
Dean and City are fortunate, though, in the respect that City still won the game and Kompany’s dismissal did not actually prove costly.
That will only be the case if Dean refuses to rescind the card because being without their captain for three games, when other defenders are unavailable and Yaya Touré is away at the Africa Cup of Nations, will hurt City and be a major blow to their title hopes.
That will surely not happen, even though some people have suggested that Kompany has a reputation for sliding into tackles. That is not an opinion that I agree with.
He made a similar challenge prior to Sergio Agüero’s goal against Norwich recently, which prompted complaints from the Norwich manager Chris Hughton, but my view was that it was a fair challenge.
And while there was a debate last season following Kompany’s red card following a challenge against Nani during an FA Cup tie against Manchester United, my opinion was that was not a tackle worthy of a red card.
But maybe Kompany’s latest injustice at the hands of a referee highlights how the game is heading towards a review panel charged with dealing with contentious incidents on a Monday morning after the weekend fixtures.
The stakes are so high nowadays that maybe football needs people to sit down and make the call on big decisions that have been missed or judged incorrectly by officials.
The problem is, where do you stop and start?
Just recently, we have had the Jay Rodriguez diving incident for Southampton at Aston Villa, the Craig Gardner foul on Gareth Bale which led to the Tottenham player being booked for diving, and Luis Suárez’s handled goal at Mansfield.
There are contentious decisions every week, but while the FA has a system whereby retrospective action can be taken if a referee has not seen an incident, players cannot be charged for something that a referee has seen or dealt with at the time.
Incorrectly issued red cards can be overturned if a referee admits to making a mistake, though, and I can see no reason whatsoever that will lead to Dean choosing to uphold Kompany’s red card.
But if he does, defenders in the Premier League will wonder whether it will ever be safe to tackle again.

 

[sergiokun]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

When will find out the outcome of the appeal??