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Kompany Returns from Injury
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Are you for real? Why? The club has a squad it can use and the players are named in that..
I actually think that clubs should have to say in advance of games who is definitely not fit and then not be permitted to use those players i.e. who is on the injured list should be officially controlled and public information.
The team is announced an hour before kick off. Why should any club be forced to say who is playing before that?
I thought this was quite obvious. But apparently not to some of our fans.I think there are pluses and minuses to giving out this info but I would have expected Spurs to already have thought it a possibility and worked it in to their planning but they, like us, do not know for sure that he will start. Regardless of any of that, the club wants to behave in a certain way and not being straight with the media about things like this or any form of gamesmanship is probably not what they want.
I actually think that clubs should have to say in advance of games who is definitely not fit and then not be permitted to use those players i.e. who is on the injured list should be officially controlled and public information.
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It's a good practice, coz its informative. Fans, and the press want information. This gives it to them. Not to mention it a long standing tradition.
Ferguson at some point or the
Other mighf have tot he gained an advantage from being a tosser, but for the most part, even Ferguson just gave honest injury reports. Contrary to the fable.
As for the comparison to drinking. I was making an hyperbolic point. That just because he did both, doesn't mean they have a special effect. We know drinking didn't. More so than not, neither did fudging on injuries.
You've gone too far here and got yourself in a bit of a mess again.
Giving general injury updates is indeed common practice. It helps inform fans, gives Pellegrini something to say in press conferences, and journalists something to write.
I'm guessing by the tone of your posts that you don't live in the UK, so you might be unaware how big a role the UK press plays in setting the public agenda of discussion, particularly on Sport. Ferguson was the absolute master of controlling the media and using it to his advantage. Putting pressure on opponents, opponents managers, opponents fans, referees, referee selectors, FA officials, deflecting unwanted attention from his own players, and giving certain players a confidence boost or encouragement.
Because he was so successful, and I hate to say it, so engaging and charasmatic in press conferences, journalists and newspaper editors hung on his every word. Anything he said was newsworthy. Ferguson would actually dictate the footballing agenda in the media by what he said in press conferences. That yielded huge influence. What he said got blanket coverage in the press, and in turn caused huge debate on TV, social media, in the pub, wherever. It would be naive beyond belief to think it didn't also trigger discussion among opposition managers and players.
As @tolmie's hairdoo @SWP's back and @Zin 'messiah' Zimmer have pointed out to you, Fergurson would regularly use it his advantage when the press asked him who was available. For example if Berbatov was injured for 6 weeks and back in Bulgaria, Ferguson would say he was training well and would probably start on Saturday. The opposing manager might then spend the week preparing to play a high line because Berbatov had no pace. Come the weekend, he'd play Wellbeck who had pace to burn, totally dumfounding the opposition manager, and giving his team a strategic advantage in the game.
The best example I can think of is one derby when Yaya went away for the Ivory Coast training in Paris prior to the ACN. Fergurson came out and said to the press that City were playing games with the media and he expected Yaya to play. All of the talk in the press and around football in England that week was whether Yaya would play or not. An hour before kick off the Shite's team was announced and Paul Scholes was in it. He'd retired 6 months previously. They had managed to register him again as a player without any of the press realising. Fergurson had completely deflected attention away, and all of City's preparation in the week was torn to shreds. Facing Paul Scholes was a very different prospect than facing Anderson, or Cleverley or whoever.
The issue with Pellegrini this week is no one expected Kompany and Silva to back. Everyone expected Sagna and Delph to be fit. So the team everyone thought we would start with included Delph as a left midfielder, where he's been pretty poor. With the players we have available, everyone seems to be in agreement we're going to switch from a 4231 to a 433. If Spurs thought we were going to start with a 4231, they would have prepared to flood central midfield, pressure us and outnumber us in there, like so many teams have done before. If they'd come out set up that way, and we had 3 centre mids like we are going to, it completely negates their game plan. It's advantage City, we've got the upper hand.
By releasing the information 48 hours before the game, as Tolm said, it gives Spurs bags of time to change their game plan and prepare accordingly. Advantage Spurs.
I understand where you are coming from that tactically it might not make too much difference Spurs knowing Kompany is playing 48 hours in advance, but psychologically it makes a monumental difference. If Kane went to bed on Saturday night thinking he's coming up against DeMichelis on Sunday, someone he can probably outmuscle physically and beat for pace, he's going to be confident thinking he's in for a pretty easy game. If an hour before kick off he hears Kompany is back, it would be a massive shock for him. He can't outmuscle him, can't out pace him, so it's going to have to play a very different game. The week he has spent preparing to face DeMichelis is now out of the window and he's facing the best centre half in the league. Advantage City.
It's similar to the Scholes story above. Tactically, it might not make a huge difference swapping Kompany for DeMichelis. But phychologically, it is a huge difference for the opposition facing Scholes instead of Anderson, or Kompany instead of DeMichelis.
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An hour before kick off the Shite's team was announced and Paul Scholes was in it. He'd retired 6 months previously. They had managed to register him again as a player without any of the press realising. Fergurson had completely deflected attention away and paul pogba said fuck you im off :)
Yes because annoying it at 3:15pm, an hour before kick off wouldn't have achieved that at all!
In reality it would have had a greater impact I'd imagine.
Ha, yes fair point.
Lol. That's what I tot when I read that.An hour before kick off the Shite's team was announced and Paul Scholes was in it. He'd retired 6 months previously. They had managed to register him again as a player without any of the press realising. Fergurson had completely deflected attention away and paul pogba said fuck you im off :)
Bloody silly thing to fret about.How far have we sunk, worried about Spurs knowing our team ffs
Again, another Ferguson irrelevancy that was incorrectly propped up as genius.You've gone too far here and got yourself in a bit of a mess again.
Giving general injury updates is indeed common practice. It helps inform fans, gives Pellegrini something to say in press conferences, and journalists something to write.
I'm guessing by the tone of your posts that you don't live in the UK, so you might be unaware how big a role the UK press plays in setting the public agenda of discussion, particularly on Sport. Ferguson was the absolute master of controlling the media and using it to his advantage. Putting pressure on opponents, opponents managers, opponents fans, referees, referee selectors, FA officials, deflecting unwanted attention from his own players, and giving certain players a confidence boost or encouragement.
Because he was so successful, and I hate to say it, so engaging and charasmatic in press conferences, journalists and newspaper editors hung on his every word. Anything he said was newsworthy. Ferguson would actually dictate the footballing agenda in the media by what he said in press conferences. That yielded huge influence. What he said got blanket coverage in the press, and in turn caused huge debate on TV, social media, in the pub, wherever. It would be naive beyond belief to think it didn't also trigger discussion among opposition managers and players.
As @tolmie's hairdoo @SWP's back and @Zin 'messiah' Zimmer have pointed out to you, Fergurson would regularly use it his advantage when the press asked him who was available. For example if Berbatov was injured for 6 weeks and back in Bulgaria, Ferguson would say he was training well and would probably start on Saturday. The opposing manager might then spend the week preparing to play a high line because Berbatov had no pace. Come the weekend, he'd play Wellbeck who had pace to burn, totally dumfounding the opposition manager, and giving his team a strategic advantage in the game.
The best example I can think of is one derby when Yaya went away for the Ivory Coast training in Paris prior to the ACN. Fergurson came out and said to the press that City were playing games with the media and he expected Yaya to play. All of the talk in the press and around football in England that week was whether Yaya would play or not. An hour before kick off the Shite's team was announced and Paul Scholes was in it. He'd retired 6 months previously. They had managed to register him again as a player without any of the press realising. Fergurson had completely deflected attention away, and all of City's preparation in the week was torn to shreds. Facing Paul Scholes was a very different prospect than facing Anderson, or Cleverley or whoever.
The issue with Pellegrini this week is no one expected Kompany and Silva to back. Everyone expected Sagna and Delph to be fit. So the team everyone thought we would start with included Delph as a left midfielder, where he's been pretty poor. With the players we have available, everyone seems to be in agreement we're going to switch from a 4231 to a 433. If Spurs thought we were going to start with a 4231, they would have prepared to flood central midfield, pressure us and outnumber us in there, like so many teams have done before. If they'd come out set up that way, and we had 3 centre mids like we are going to, it completely negates their game plan. It's advantage City, we've got the upper hand.
By releasing the information 48 hours before the game, as Tolm said, it gives Spurs bags of time to change their game plan and prepare accordingly. Advantage Spurs.
I understand where you are coming from that tactically it might not make too much difference Spurs knowing Kompany is playing 48 hours in advance, but psychologically it makes a monumental difference. If Kane went to bed on Saturday night thinking he's coming up against DeMichelis on Sunday, someone he can probably outmuscle physically and beat for pace, he's going to be confident thinking he's in for a pretty easy game. If an hour before kick off he hears Kompany is back, it would be a massive shock for him. He can't outmuscle him, can't out pace him, so it's going to have to play a very different game. The week he has spent preparing to face DeMichelis is now out of the window and he's facing the best centre half in the league. Advantage City.
It's similar to the Scholes story above. Tactically, it might not make a huge difference swapping Kompany for DeMichelis. But phychologically, it is a huge difference for the opposition facing Scholes instead of Anderson, or Kompany instead of DeMichelis.
So lets examine the facts.
1. Scholes when he initially retired did so because he thought his legs were gone and wasn't as instrumental in the big games.
2. His return at City was actually advantage City. Why? Rather than facing an Impressive youngster in Pogba, we were guaranteed the dross that was a retired retuenee in Scholes
As for the game, United was up 3-0 without Scholes. By the time He finally made his debut, he quickly gave away the ball that led to our 2nd. He was the weak link for the last 20 minutes of the game
So as the facts showed, Ferguson's trickery at best had no effect and at worst hurt his team. We lost that game because of a bent ref who gave Kompany a straight red and left us with Ten men. But we almost pulled off the comeback because Ferguson dimly inserted an unfit 37 yearold into the game.
This often happens when people buy into their own hype. Ferguson clearly bought into his own hype. You do too apparently. Hence why you remember those facts so incorrectly.
A 37 yearold retiree returning after sitting out for 6 months will never scare anyone. That Ferguson, and the media, thought this was a significant masterstroke is laughable.
But then again you are right, I don't live in England and thus, I am less swayed by punditry stupidity