Kompany Returns from Injury

[Shaelumstash]

Again, another Ferguson irrelevancy that was incorrectly propped up as genius.

So lets examine the facts.
1. Scholes when he initially retired did so because he thought his legs were gone and wasn't as instrumental in the big games.
2. His return at City was actually advantage City. Why? Rather than facing an Impressive youngster in Pogba, we were guaranteed the dross that was a retired retuenee in Scholes

As for the game, United was up 3-0 without Scholes. By the time He finally made his debut, he quickly gave away the ball that led to our 2nd. He was the weak link for the last 20 minutes of the game

So as the facts showed, Ferguson's trickery at best had no effect and at worst hurt his team. We lost that game because of a bent ref who gave Kompany a straight red and left us with Ten men. But we almost pulled off the comeback because Ferguson dimly inserted an unfit 37 yearold into the game.

This often happens when people buy into their own hype. Ferguson clearly bought into his own hype. You do too apparently. Hence why you remember those facts so incorrectly.

A 37 yearold retiree returning after sitting out for 6 months will never scare anyone. That Ferguson, and the media, thought this was a significant masterstroke is laughable.

But then again you are right, I don't live in England and thus, I am less swayed by punditry stupidity

Never been to a game and doesn't live in the UK, yet feels entitled enough to comment on every game and the influence or lack of from the UK media.

Welcome to the Social Media age.

I didn't once say that the inclusion of Scholes in that game had a direct influence on the result of that game. I said that Fergurson's handling of the press before the game set the media agenda that he used to his advantage.

Announcing Scholes was returning 48 hours before would have had no impact. Announcing it an hour before the game had a big impact on the mood at the game. But you wouldn't know that because you weren't there.

Fergurson manipulated the press for his own advantage for over 25 years. If you doubt that or don't fully appreciate it, there are countless books written about the man, feel free to study them to expand your knowledge on the subject.

For those of us that had to live through those 25 years, we don't need to read up on it, we already know about it because it played a part in our day lives for over 20 years. We know all about the pressure on referee's, opponents, etc.

You're on the outside looking in, a voyeur. Living outside of the country you're not qualified to comment on the impact Fergurson had on the UK press and the football agenda because you've not experienced it.

 

[cibaman]

Hopefully we are increasingly improving our match preparations? I was embarrassed when we played Pep's BM, and we clearly did not know what scores took us through the CL group as winners. Pep looked bemused.

I remember VK saying when we played Chelsea, "we had never been so well prepared before a game," but from the way he said it, implied that it seemed unusual?

It's great to have him back, good luck Vinnie! I am hopeful we will be well prepared for this one.

To be fair, one of the Bayern players admitted that not all of them knew whether to defend or attack.

 

[SWP's back]

Again, another Ferguson irrelevancy that was incorrectly propped up as genius.

So lets examine the facts.
1. Scholes when he initially retired did so because he thought his legs were gone and wasn't as instrumental in the big games.
2. His return at City was actually advantage City. Why? Rather than facing an Impressive youngster in Pogba, we were guaranteed the dross that was a retired retuenee in Scholes

As for the game, United was up 3-0 without Scholes. By the time He finally made his debut, he quickly gave away the ball that led to our 2nd. He was the weak link for the last 20 minutes of the game

So as the facts showed, Ferguson's trickery at best had no effect and at worst hurt his team. We lost that game because of a bent ref who gave Kompany a straight red and left us with Ten men. But we almost pulled off the comeback because Ferguson dimly inserted an unfit 37 yearold into the game.

This often happens when people buy into their own hype. Ferguson clearly bought into his own hype. You do too apparently. Hence why you remember those facts so incorrectly.

A 37 yearold retiree returning after sitting out for 6 months will never scare anyone. That Ferguson, and the media, thought this was a significant masterstroke is laughable.

But then again you are right, I don't live in England and thus, I am less swayed by punditry stupidity

Ffs

 

[kaz7]

Never been to a game and doesn't live in the UK, yet feels entitled enough to comment on every game and the influence or lack of from the UK media.

Welcome to the Social Media age.

I didn't once say that the inclusion of Scholes in that game had a direct influence on the result of that game. I said that Fergurson's handling of the press before the game set the media agenda that he used to his advantage.

Announcing Scholes was returning 48 hours before would have had no impact. Announcing it an hour before the game had a big impact on the mood at the game. But you wouldn't know that because you weren't there.

Fergurson manipulated the press for his own advantage for over 25 years. If you doubt that or don't fully appreciate it, there are countless books written about the man, feel free to study them to expand your knowledge on the subject.

For those of us that had to live through those 25 years, we don't need to read up on it, we already know about it because it played a part in our day lives for over 20 years. We know all about the pressure on referee's, opponents, etc.

You're on the outside looking in, a voyeur. Living outside of the country you're not qualified to comment on the impact Fergurson had on the UK press and the football agenda because you've not experienced it.

Agreed

 

[Dax777]

Never been to a game and doesn't live in the UK, yet feels entitled enough to comment on every game and the influence or lack of from the UK media.

Welcome to the Social Media age.

I didn't once say that the inclusion of Scholes in that game had a direct influence on the result of that game. I said that Fergurson's handling of the press before the game set the media agenda that he used to his advantage.

Announcing Scholes was returning 48 hours before would have had no impact. Announcing it an hour before the game had a big impact on the mood at the game. But you wouldn't know that because you weren't there.

Fergurson manipulated the press for his own advantage for over 25 years. If you doubt that or don't fully appreciate it, there are countless books written about the man, feel free to study them to expand your knowledge on the subject.

For those of us that had to live through those 25 years, we don't need to read up on it, we already know about it because it played a part in our day lives for over 20 years. We know all about the pressure on referee's, opponents, etc.

You're on the outside looking in, a voyeur. Living outside of the country you're not qualified to comment on the impact Fergurson had on the UK press and the football agenda because you've not experienced it.

Mistaking yours and the punditry's mood for that of the players is a common mistake. Aguero couldn't give 2 shits if some old legs were coming back. You, the pundits on the other hand thought it was significant. So much so, you referred to it as the 'best example' you could come up with.

I was not commenting on the mood of the media or easily persuaded fans. I was commenting on the effects it had on the game. I could care less what effect it has on punditry and gossip loving fans. That has never been my interest. My interest lies solely with what happens over the 90 minutes give or take extra time on the field.

You believed this 'tore City's plans to shreds'. Your words, not mine. And if you've forgotten here is a refresher:

"Fergurson had completely deflected attention away, and all of City's preparation in the week was torn to shreds."

Really? Because some past-it retiree decided to come back? Well I disagree. It was irrelevant to City's plans. The key issue being discussed here by the way.

Again more of your words:

Facing Paul Scholes was a very different prospect than facing Anderson, or Cleverley or whoever.

On the above, you are right. Facing Scholes was gaddam easier: Ask the 10 man City team that ran circles around the out of shape Scholes.

But if you believe this was a masterclass move by Fergie that shredded City's preparations. Hey, have at it!

 

[Shaelumstash]

Mistaking yours and the punditry's mood for that of the players is a common mistake. Aguero couldn't give 2 shits if some old legs were coming back. You, the pundits on the other hand thought it was significant. So much so, you referred to it as the 'best example' you could come up with.

I was not commenting on the mood of the media or easily persuaded fans. I was commenting on the effects it had on the game. I could care less what effect it has on punditry and gossip loving fans. That has never been my interest. My interest lies solely with what happens over the 90 minutes give or take extra time on the field.

You believed this 'tore City's plans to shreds'. Your words, not mine. And if you've forgotten here is a refresher:

"Fergurson had completely deflected attention away, and all of City's preparation in the week was torn to shreds."

Really? Because some past-it retiree decided to come back? Well I disagree. It was irrelevant to City's plans. The key issue being discussed here by the way.

Again more of your words:

Facing Paul Scholes was a very different prospect than facing Anderson, or Cleverley or whoever.

On the above, you are right. Facing Scholes was gaddam easier: Ask the 10 man City team that ran circles around the out of shape Scholes.

But if you believe this was a masterclass move by Fergie that shredded City's preparations. Hey, have at it!

How would you know it's a common mistake? You've got some kind of insight in to the mindset of players that no one else does? You've got a direct feed in to the dressing room set up on a monitor next to that famous tactical TV of yours?

It's a common mistake of the deluded to assume they've got some special insight because the masses haven't thought of it. Often the masses are correct and the deluded are wrong.

I used the Scholes story as an example of when Ferguson best manipulated the media on who was available. As you well know, this was to illustrate a wider point about Pellegrini and other managers using the media to their advantage, or not, when announcing which players are available.

You are of the opinion that managers knowing exactly who is available for the opposition makes no difference to their preparation. You're wrong.

I know you're not a fan of scouts who attend games, but the reason Guardiola, Mourinho, Fergurson, and all of the top managers have their scouts literally "scout" the opposition is so they can gain an insight in to who might play, what shape they might play, what they do on set pieces, who's in and out of form, the characteristics of the players.

It's well documented Mourinho and Guardiola's scout's analysis are extremely in depth and thorough, allowing the manager to be able to prepare in the best way possible.

If Pellegrini, or any other manager announced their startling line up 48 hours before a game, it would be absolute gold dust. It would be better than any scouting report. The manager could prepare his whole game plan based on the players he was facing.

That's why Fergurson manipulated the media on who was available, it kept the opposition guessing, give him a fine margin of advantage. He did this on a weekly basis, the examples are too numerous to mention.

Pellegrini on Friday did the exact opposite. By announcing who is fit and who isn't, it was essentially the exact same thing as announcing our starting line up 48 hours before the game.

 

[Cityfan]

I thought Vinny was generally excellent today. Although partly at fault for the goal, it was the only real chance they created. Defense was very good and Vinny read the game well. We have been very poor at times this season, but defensively today was not one of those times.

 

[OB1]

I thought Vinny was generally excellent today. Although partly at fault for the goal, it was the only real chance they created. Defense was very good and Vinny read the game well. We have been very poor at times this season, but defensively today was not one of those times.

Very unfortunate that he was at fault on their goal because for the most part I thought he made a very distinct and positive difference to the defence. On the goal, which I confess, I cannot bring myself to rewatch more than once, it looks like the sort of mix up between him and Otamendi that could be attributed to lack of match practice together.

Just hope Vinnie stays fit until the end of the season.

 

[Mike N]

Vinny was excellent today and glad to have him back. Hope he stays fit for the rest of the season.

 

[Phil1]

He was a boss today. That's why we keep giving him the benefit of the doubt and allow him time to get back from injury. He's fucking awesome.