Kompany slams journo

stuart brennan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The only thing I will say on this, I can assure you there is a particular lack of enthusiasm from national desks to pursue certain lines of enquiry.

They fall into various categories. Ignorance, apathy and downright fear as to who it might rub the wrong way.

Things will change when a certain manager decides to call it a day.

I will caveat it, though, there are a surprising number of City fans or pro supporters of our club on this patch.

Albeit, there are a number of people in positions of power who are rabid Reds, Arsenal or Spurs.

Those who give us a fairer crack of the whip tend to be the West Ham Fleet Street mafia.

I would add to that - staff cuts, especially at the MEN, have curbed how much you can do.
A chief like Martin Samuel is afforded time to write such articles. Most of the rest of us are too busy filling the wide open spaces of the following day's paper


I agree with regards your staff cuts, however, that is more a symptom of the declining relevancy of local media in general not just at the MEN.

There is also the internet age, your paper can be consistently taken out of the equation, competing with City's great website etc.

The MEN have had a closed shop for 50 years when they had first dibs by means of a simple phone call.

I have a lot of sympathy for the situation. However, the same accusations were being made about the MEN 20 years ago.

Certainly, there was more of a case to answer when the likes of David Meek and co were in situ.

I think your paper, and many others, suffer from decades of conditioning, that United are still the only real show in town.

As for Samuel, he is the greatest football writer this country has produced for a very long time.

A horrible man, but a great writer, who, as you can say, can concentrate on his considered pieces at £160k a year.
 
stuart brennan said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The only thing I will say on this, I can assure you there is a particular lack of enthusiasm from national desks to pursue certain lines of enquiry.

They fall into various categories. Ignorance, apathy and downright fear as to who it might rub the wrong way.

Things will change when a certain manager decides to call it a day.

I will caveat it, though, there are a surprising number of City fans or pro supporters of our club on this patch.

Albeit, there are a number of people in positions of power who are rabid Reds, Arsenal or Spurs.

Those who give us a fairer crack of the whip tend to be the West Ham Fleet Street mafia.

I would add to that - staff cuts, especially at the MEN, have curbed how much you can do.
A chief like Martin Samuel is afforded time to write such articles. Most of the rest of us are too busy filling the wide open spaces of the following day's paper

how about filling it with the machinations of Gill?!

Seriously, dialogue needs to open eith your average fan on the street regarding ffpr, because the majority I know have not a clue what it means and what it will lead to. City and Chelsea are being portrayed as big spending monsters and Gill is riding in on his fair play white horse to save us all.

The truth is different and if this was explained fans might be able to act before it is too late, as usual this is being 'done to' fans, 'not done with'.

I can think of no worthier cause to fill the 'wide open spaces of the following day's paper'.
 
Andy Mittens article re Begiristain

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Barcelona may have looked impressive, but the team which met Manchester United in the 2008 Champions League semi-final were less than their usual spectacular selves.

They boasted Lionel Messi, Andres Iniesta, Xavi, Yaya Toure and a host of other players who had won the European Cup two years earlier and would triumph again a year later, but they were off the pace in the league and Frank Rijkaard’s days as coach were numbered.

The Dutchman knew it and could do little to change the malaise at the club.

A mis-hit Paul Scholes’ shot defeated a Barca side who would finish the season forming a guard of honour for new champions Real Madrid in the Bernabeu before Madrid destroyed them 4-1.

Barca’s sporting director Txiki Begiristain, who joined City this week, watched on. He knew change was imminent and had long known that Rijkaard needed replacing.

The Basque had spent eight months weighing up a new boss and while club president Joan Laporta would have the final say, Laporta came from a law background, not a football one.
Begiristain’s football knowledge would be the most relevant.

Begiristain had been instrumental in bringing talents like Samuel Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Daniel Alves and Thierry Henry to Camp Nou. He wanted them to complement the home-grown conveyor belt of players from a youth system in which he firmly believed.

Now, with Rijkaard’s cycle coming to an end, he wanted the right coach to replace him.

Begiristain considered Laurent Blanc, Arsene Wenger and former Barca team-mate Michael Laudrup. He also flew to Lisbon, away from the prying eyes of the Spanish media, to speak to Jose Mourinho in secret.

Begiristain wasn’t convinced by the Special One. He thought Mourinho would do well and would even be prepared to play Barca’s never-to-be-tampered with 4-3-3, but he reckoned the Portuguese coach would be too bombastic, too controlling, too egotistical if they gave him the job.

Besides, he’d seen a genius at work on his own doorstep, a former team-mate now in charge of Barca’s B team in Spain’s third division. Pep Guardiola’s reserves were only playing to crowds of 1,500, but the future Barca boss was managing the side as if every game was a cup final, with detailed video analysis of forthcoming opponents.

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They saw the way he trained with the team, how he switched tactics mid-match while staying true to the Cruyff-inspired philosophy of attacking football with which he’d been infused.
Begiristain knew all about Barca’s reserves. He’d been watching them most weeks since becoming the club’s sporting director in 2003.

He’d seen the future of the club with his own eyes in 2004 and made sure that he followed Lionel Messi to the FIFA under-20 World Cup tournament (where Messi had been the star) in Holland to present him with a five-year contract on his 18th birthday in 2005.

Along with vice-president – and current City chief executive – Ferran Soriano, they made sure that Messi’s contract remained ‘ahead of the curve’ – that is that he was paid far more than his status as a B team player on £2,000 a week.

Barca knew that Messi had many admirers and wanted to guarantee he wasn’t tempted to leave.

A 150million Euro buy-out clause also helped ward off any potential suitors.

Guardiola’s attention to detail impressed Begiristain, who recommended the 37-year-old as the club’s next boss. The choice was inspired, but then Begiristain was long renowned for shrewd judgement.

In England, a manager and his assistants will identify a player and ask his chairman to sign him. In Spain, it’s a three-way process, with the sporting director the most important person in bringing new players to the club.

Begiristain excelled in this role at Barca, signing world-class players without usually paying the inflated fees which clubs demanded when they knew Barca were interested.

He also helped push out Ronaldinho and Deco to create the space for Messi to thrive. It was Begiristain who saw Messi’s brilliance and acted, even ahead of Guardiola.

Begiristain did more than look at a player’s talent, he looked at his personality too.

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Not all of his signings worked – Zlatan Ibrahimovic cost Barca a club record 69 million Euros and lasted a season – but most did. Begiristain could afford some failures. He was already popular in Catalonia as a former speedy winger in Cruyff’s ‘Dream Team’ which won the club’s first European Cup at Wembley in 1992.

He didn’t get off the bench that night but he played 223 games for Barca in his seven years at the club, scoring 63 goals. Cruyff had signed ‘Txiki’ (‘cheeky’ in Basque) from his local top-flight club Real Sociedad in 1988.

Sociedad were the Spanish champions 30 years ago when Begiristain, now 48, forced his way into the side as an 18-year-old.

Few players of that age break into a side of champions, but despite being just 5ft 7in, Begiristain was unfazed by the pressure of expectation and thrived in the old Atocha stadium, a cramped English-style venue by the rail sidings in San Sebastian.

He was tough and he had an eye for goal that would see him capped 22 times by Spain. He also played for Deportivo La Coruna and Urawa Red Diamonds in a career which spanned more than 500 professional games.

With his time as Barca’s sporting director over, options were limited for Begiristain in Spain. Madrid wouldn’t have him because of his Barca connections, while any other club would be a step down. That’s why both players and officials look for a move abroad, mainly to England.

City’s recently appointed chief executive Ferran Soriano was key to bringing his former colleague to Manchester.

He knew that Begiristain has extensive experience and contacts in football, that he’s been part of a club who have triumphed domestically and in Europe and can translate his ideas into tangible success as part of a winning team.

Roberto Mancini will welcome the appointment after his fractious relationship with Brian Marwood.

The Italian will co-operate closely with the Catalan and the Basque, but he’ll always be aware that their former colleague and compatriot Pep Guardiola is currently unemployed, hoping to get back into football next season.


good intro about united and scholesy ....filled out in the middle with some stats etc....ending by Mancinis job in danger
....thats how i read it
 
You touch on some good points Tolmie.
The club took the decision to put more stuff on their own website, which meant moving away from their close relationship with the MEN.
As a result, we have had to move to more middle ground, positioned between the propaganda of the official site and the extremity of the nationals. We are more prepared to criticise, but still feel we should stand up for City.
The thing about conditioning that United are the only show in town applies to the nationals, but I would argue not to us.
When City were in the third division and United winning the treble, we gave equal coverage.
The problem is that no matter how much you try, coverage of a team winning trophy after trophy is bound to appear more positive than one which is lurching from crisis to crisis.
Since the takeover, that has rectified itself, but people still pick up and over-blow the negatives while ignoring the positives.
 
What a great thread it turned out to be. Fair play to Stuart for coming on and putting up a defence. Really enjoyed reading it.

As for news and the media in general? Well, whilst I'm no clever dick, I am smarter than your average X-factor wannabe. However, there are more of those types in the country and I feel that is the audience the media now cater for. You can call it dumbing down or whatever, but that's how it feels to me and for that reason I rarely bother with the papers unless I'm on a train, and even then it's the Torygraph for me as the crossword is a dobber.

In a lot of respects, I feel sorry for some reporters having to toe a particular editorial line. It was also interesting to get an insight about the lack of time afforded to hacks to write great pieces anymore. I think that points you to the root cause of dwindling reader numbers (general paper-wise, not MEN as I don't know if circulation is on the up or down).

I would pay good money to read an investigative piece into FIFA/UEFA, racism, corruption, conflict of interest, putting the spotlight on the powerbrokers in the game etc; however I guess that's not the preserve of a provincial newspaper.

The press would do well to pick up someone like Swiss Ramble and give them free reign.

*EDIT*
Forgot to add - Stuart, you mentioned in one post about criticisms of players on here being ok but the press shouldn't be allowed to, which was fair comment. I would caveat that by saying (as with your industry!) don't believe everything you read on here. Whilst of course fans do sometimes criticise players, I could point you to two recent threads and you'd spot many a RedCafe muppet masquerading as a City fan.
 
how times have changed for stuart brennan, once part of the mickey taking of the blues in the MUEN but now hes been banished by adolf ferguson hes forced to pay his mortgage with money commenting on city, never saw that one coming as you looked down on city did you stuart?


"They ceased to be communicative, but never actually banned me"

thats fergie saying get rid or we dont deal with your paper, good job trying to dress it up as something different tho stu
 
nicholasjackson said:
how times have changed for stuart brennan, once part of the mickey taking of the blues in the MUEN but now hes been banished by adolf ferguson hes forced to pay his mortgage with money commenting on city, never saw that one coming as you looked down on city did you stuart?


"They ceased to be communicative, but never actually banned me"

thats fergie saying get rid or we dont deal with your paper, good job trying to dress it up as something different tho stu


I think some kudos is merited for making himself open to discourse , however I believe mine and his views are diametrically opposed on most matters.
 
cyprustavern said:
nicholasjackson said:
how times have changed for stuart brennan, once part of the mickey taking of the blues in the MUEN but now hes been banished by adolf ferguson hes forced to pay his mortgage with money commenting on city, never saw that one coming as you looked down on city did you stuart?


"They ceased to be communicative, but never actually banned me"

thats fergie saying get rid or we dont deal with your paper, good job trying to dress it up as something different tho stu


I think some kudos is merited for making himself open to discourse , however I believe mine and his views are diametrically opposed on most matters.

yes fair play, obviously spencer reads this and thinks better cause he would have a 30page thread on just him never mind MUEN/Brennan/Robson etc
 
cyprustavern said:
nicholasjackson said:
how times have changed for stuart brennan, once part of the mickey taking of the blues in the MUEN but now hes been banished by adolf ferguson hes forced to pay his mortgage with money commenting on city, never saw that one coming as you looked down on city did you stuart?


"They ceased to be communicative, but never actually banned me"

thats fergie saying get rid or we dont deal with your paper, good job trying to dress it up as something different tho stu


I think some kudos is merited for making himself open to discourse , however I believe mine and his views are diametrically opposed on most matters.

Less of the 'dumbing down'. I want your next post in Latin.
 

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