Kompany slams journo

[stonerblue]

Well in Vinny

 

[The Future's Blue]

To say we find the negative angle far more often is just not true. It's just that the negative angle gets blown up, and the positive ignored.
When Chris Bailey did the job, the same accusations were being levelled at him and the MEN, and the same for his predecessors, going back years and years.
And the next time Winter, Samuel, Wallace or Herbert write something even vaguely perceived as being negative, they will get the same treatment.

You are getting constructive criticism and you are not listening. Somehow, I'd take what is said on board instead of forcing your point.

Do you not think this is real, in City fans eyes?

To dismiss your audience is folly, to not ever listen makes you the fool.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I assume, in the interests of impartial and cutting edge journalism, the MEN will be asking the editor of a City fanzine to write an article on David Gill's conflict of interest arising from his roles as United's CEO, Vice Chairman of the FA, and nominated FA representative on the UEFA executive committee. The more so as both the FA and UEFA are driving through or have driven through "Fair play" rules the sole achievement of which which is to hobble any competition to Manchester United. Then again, maybe not.

STUART - on a serious note, could we have your comments on the above???

x2, this is a huge issue - where do the MEN stand on it?

Yes, come on Stuart, let's be having you. Martin Samuel hasn't been afraid to shine a light on this, so why nothing from the MUEN? Couldn't be that the supporters on here accusing the MUEN of being too afraid of a massed banning order from Taggart to publish anything negative about the rags, are right could it?

 

[Ed68]

STUART - on a serious note, could we have your comments on the above???

x2, this is a huge issue - where do the MEN stand on it?

Yes, come on Stuart, let's be having you. Martin Samuel hasn't been afraid to shine a light on this, so why nothing from the MUEN? Couldn't be that the supporters on here accusing the MUEN of being too afraid of a massed banning order from Taggart to publish anything negative about the rags, are right could it?

They are not Pravda so don't worry we'll get a thorough piece of investigative journalism, the same standard (and standards) we're used to.

 

[Zabbasbeard]

To deal with the Dzeko/Balotelli story - how is it an attempt to de-stabilise them? They don't give a toss what people write. And the fact is that City WERE definitely prepared to sell Dzeko if the right offer came in, and a big-money offer for Balotelli would also have been seriously considered.
Dzeko and Balotelli did not cover themselves in glory at that time, so your idea of "objective" appears to mean biased towards City. Look back at this foirum at that time, and you will find plenty of peoploe unhappy at Dzeko and Balotelli - or are they also pursuing an anti-City agenda of some kind?
I have criticised aspects of what City do in the past, and will continue to do so. But I always try to be straight and constructive, rather than exaggerate

As for Neil Leigh's piece, it is written in a weekly column intended to be provocative and strong - there have been pieces in it which have commented on problems at United as well.
Don't hide your head in the sand - what Richards said DID reveal a problem. No-one at City has denied that - what they got angry at was the national papers' suggestion that there was mutiny afoot.
Neil's take on it is fair comment, if you ask me, even if I don't entirely agree with him

No, Stuart, you are wrong again. Or are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote? Biased stories towards City are not objective. Equally ant-City stories that are published by the media are not objective either. If you read my previous posts properly you will see that I never said that biased stories to City are objective.
Or is this a wind up?

Objective reporting, as you should know, means being critical or praising where it is due. Yes there is some bias on this forum (it is CITY forum after all!) but this forum has criticisms by City fans with a genuine love of this club. Balotelli and Dzeko have both been criticised on here. One mainly for his immaturity and the other for certain limitations in his game, ie the need for wide service to prosper as opposed to being the sort of player who can burst onto little through balls, amongst other things (eg his reaction in Munich). To be fair to Dzeko, other than that night his attitude has been exemplary.

No one expects you or anyone to say "Edin Dzeko is fantastic, Mario Balotelli is brilliant, and City love them both and would never sell them." That is overly simplistic like some of your comments on here Stuart. Sorry, Stuart, I expect better from the journalist who covers OUR club. I’m not bothered that you are United fan by the way. I’m not bothered that Gary Neville is Utd fan either but he has so far managed to be objective.

Again you underestimate City fans. There is a problem at City with regards 3-5-2, and Micah naively pointed it out in an interview (with no mal intent towards the manager) but there is no mutiny. The manager has the players’ respect even if some of them might not like him. Liking him is irrelevant. Respect is important.

City sold a few players in the summer: not Dzeko or Balotelli, and maybe if the offer had been right they may have sold them, or one or two others. However, by writing during last mid season about selling our players in the summer you appeared to be attempting to unsettle players. If you were, nice try! If you were, it failed. Players of lesser character than Dzeko and Balotelli might get affected by them, though they may care about what is written than they admit.

By writing those stories and saying Neil Leigh’s inflammatory piece is “fair comment”, even if you don’t agree with it, you undermine your own case.

Given some of your articles, and what you are saying here, you should be able to understand why many people don’t believe what you are saying is correct or credible.

Fair play for coming on and defending yourself, Stuart, but there’s only one person burying their head in the sand in this thread and it appears to be you, Stuart.

 

[Manchester_City_Blue]

Gave up on reading the MEN a while back. If I wanted to read us getting a bashing everyday I'd go and read rag cafe.

 

[City Raider]

Stuart, I'm afraid your silence on ffpr, whether on here or through your newspaper reveals the truth.

You may come on here and plead neutrality and a journalistic integrity, driven only by the story with no fear of consequence or accusation of bias.

Yet here, right now, moves are being made, strategies played out that will alter the landscape of football for ever and you have no voice? But your paper finds worth in trivial blogs about our club, written by fans of others?! And yet you expect us to accept your explanations?

We're not asking for Woodward and Bernstein, just a little courage and integrity as our skipper would put it.

 

[stuart brennan]

I assume, in the interests of impartial and cutting edge journalism, the MEN will be asking the editor of a City fanzine to write an article on David Gill's conflict of interest arising from his roles as United's CEO, Vice Chairman of the FA, and nominated FA representative on the UEFA executive committee. The more so as both the FA and UEFA are driving through or have driven through "Fair play" rules the sole achievement of which which is to hobble any competition to Manchester United. Then again, maybe not.

STUART - on a serious note, could we have your comments on the above???

Andy Mitten is UWS editor, but he is also a freelance journalist in his own right, writing articles regularly for 442, World Soccer and others.
He is based in Barcelona, has an insight into Barcelona matters, as well as very good contacts throughout European and world football.
You have pre-judged his piece without even reading it. If you took the time, you would find it straightforward and interesting.
If you can tell me a City fanzine editor with Andy's credentials and contacts, who could write an instructive piece on Gill, I'm sure the MEN would consider it<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:03 pm --<br /><br />

BTH come on down..........would be rude not to mention leveraged debt & Delaware,Cayman Islands with a special mention for david gill 2004 "Debt is the Road to Ruin".

I have written extensively on the Glazer takeover, Gill's hypocrisy, and Fergie's role in the whole sorry affair.
I won the Football Supporters Federation's football writer of the year award for doing so, in 2006.
I wrote dozens of articles on the subject, all of which damaged the paper's relationship with United, and with me.
You all seem to have missed them. Or just plain ignored them, as they don't fit your MUEN agenda.
Try opening your eyes, and looking at it from other angles.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The only thing I will say on this, I can assure you there is a particular lack of enthusiasm from national desks to pursue certain lines of enquiry.

They fall into various categories. Ignorance, apathy and downright fear as to who it might rub the wrong way.

Things will change when a certain manager decides to call it a day.

I will caveat it, though, there are a surprising number of City fans or pro supporters of our club on this patch.

Albeit, there are a number of people in positions of power who are rabid Reds, Arsenal or Spurs.

Those who give us a fairer crack of the whip tend to be the West Ham Fleet Street mafia.

 

[stuart brennan]

The only thing I will say on this, I can assure you there is a particular lack of enthusiasm from national desks to pursue certain lines of enquiry.

They fall into various categories. Ignorance, apathy and downright fear as to who it might rub the wrong way.

Things will change when a certain manager decides to call it a day.

I will caveat it, though, there are a surprising number of City fans or pro supporters of our club on this patch.

Albeit, there are a number of people in positions of power who are rabid Reds, Arsenal or Spurs.

Those who give us a fairer crack of the whip tend to be the West Ham Fleet Street mafia.

I would add to that - staff cuts, especially at the MEN, have curbed how much you can do.
A chief like Martin Samuel is afforded time to write such articles. Most of the rest of us are too busy filling the wide open spaces of the following day's paper