Kompany

[nehe11]

Damn. I leave you guys for 24 hours and this is what happens...

So to recap.

Mancini having a pop at Kompany is a bad thing

Kompany throwing some physio under the bus to have a pop back is a good thing - bet the physio enjoyed reading that over his morning espresso "Oh so I'm a useless c**t. Cheers Vinnie"

Mancini forcing Kompany out is a bad thing

Kompany forcing Mancini out is a good thing - is that bunting I see? Surely not.

The spectre of player power removing the manager ala Chelsea is not something I would personally cheer on but hey we can agree to differ.

As the St Vinnians celebrated last night with unbounded glee and endeavoured to smite the St Robertians with cries of heresy and whatnot the sectarian war rumbles on with all eyes turned to the new sect rising in the east. Does St Txikian and his followers have the answer? Do they posses the Holy Grail and the Book of Truth which reveals the path to the one true prophet?

Stay tuned

Well let me recap.

Last night you posted repeatedly that city should get rid of any player not happy with Mancini's management style.

Now it appears that that growing list of players includes our captain.

So rather than just resorting to the usual lots-of-waffle-but-say-nowt prose, can you just confirm that your sentiments should apply to kompany if hes unhappy with Mancini?

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

:)

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Well let me recap.

Last night you posted repeatedly that city should get rid of any player not happy with Mancini's management style.

Now it appears that that growing list of players includes our captain.

So rather than just resorting to the usual lots-of-waffle-but-say-nowt prose, can you just confirm that your sentiments should apply to kompany if hes unhappy with Mancini?

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Hahahahaha . Further evidence of that comedy utopian football world you live in, mate. I suspect you read your 'Roy of the rovers' annuals when you grew up because it would be the only reason for your bizarrely naive opinions on the game. Not content with 'we have lost the league because our strikers are missing chances', you appear to want to push the conversation down the lines of a classic Cellar bottom feeder: 'we don't want to turn into Chelsea'.

Players get managers the sack in the real world, mate, but you won't find that at melchester rovers, granted. And any Director of Football worth his salt has a relationship with the club captain and senior pros. And if a captain as highly regarded and respected as vinny says to that D of F that the players have had enough of Mancini, then you can rest assured that Mancini will hit the high road.

Whether I'm happy about that or not is of course irrelevant to the real point: that Mancini is playing a dangerous game here.

As you will no doubt be aware, Roy race ended up as player manager ;-)

Players can get managers the sack, but that's not always a good idea. Brian Clough lasted just 44 days at Leeds, his job going on the back of a players revolt. I would think that the Leeds executives must have been kicking themselves in the years to follow as Clough's Nottingham Forest team went on to win numerous trophies, two of which were the European Cup.

 

[LoveCity]

Siding with the player over the manager is not good in isolated incidents but when half the squad seems to have been upset or angered by the manager in some way you begin to think there is more to it, which is when the men above Mancini (even though he will tell you Begiristain and Soriano are not above him) have to step in and assess whether the manager has the leadership skills to take his players any further. Txiki is used to working with reasonable guys who are popular with their players like Rijkaard and Pep, not with an autocratic manager who treats his players like soldiers in the Soviet Armed Forces.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well let me recap.

Last night you posted repeatedly that city should get rid of any player not happy with Mancini's management style.

Now it appears that that growing list of players includes our captain.

So rather than just resorting to the usual lots-of-waffle-but-say-nowt prose, can you just confirm that your sentiments should apply to kompany if hes unhappy with Mancini?

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Hahahahaha . Further evidence of that comedy utopian football world you live in, mate. I suspect you read your 'Roy of the rovers' annuals when you grew up because it would be the only reason for your bizarrely naive opinions on the game. Not content with 'we have lost the league because our strikers are missing chances', you appear to want to push the conversation down the lines of a classic Cellar bottom feeder: 'we don't want to turn into Chelsea'.

Players get managers the sack in the real world, mate, but you won't find that at melchester rovers, granted. And any Director of Football worth his salt has a relationship with the club captain and senior pros. And if a captain as highly regarded and respected as vinny says to that D of F that the players have had enough of Mancini, then you can rest assured that Mancini will hit the high road.

Whether I'm happy about that or not is of course irrelevant to the real point: that Mancini is playing a dangerous game here.

As you will no doubt be aware, Roy race ended up as player manager ;-)

Just noticed you did reply so before I leave and ignoring all that Melchester Rovers bollocks the first thing that popped into my head is how it would have been so different if Txiki & co had listened to the senior pros and fucked Pep off instead.

Perhaps they were fans of Roy of Rovers as after all they did go for the utopian ideal. Worked too.

 

[moomba]

Siding with the player over the manager is not good in isolated incidents but when half the squad seems to have been upset or angered by the manager in some way you begin to think there is more to it, which is when the men above Mancini (even though he will tell you Begiristain and Soriano are not above him) have to step in and assess whether the manager has the leadership skills to take his players any further. Txiki is used to working with reasonable guys who are popular with their players like Rijkaard and Pep, not with an autocratic manager who treats his players like soldiers in the Soviet Armed Forces.

You're making some presumptions based on a lot of speculation, innuendo and a few snippets of fact. Most clubs would contain players that have been upset or angered by the manager, it's all about how each party reacts to it that determines if it is a problem or not.

I'm sure the powers that be will be in possession of the full facts, although if Mancini's man management was as bad as some people make out it's a miracle he survived his first month let alone 3 and a half years with plenty of success.

Out of interest have you ever worked under Mancini to know what his management style (or in the Soviet military for that matter)? I wonder how people really know what people are like unless they experience it for themselves.

 

[Danamy]

You cant say there are issues then not say what they are!

I believe i just did, it's up to you if you believe it or not, make your own mind up, I'm not forcing you?

i'll go with or not given you havent me anything to go on

Like i say, that's up to you but if wish to carry on burying your head in the sand, it's that way ----------->

 

[kaz7]

I believe i just did, it's up to you if you believe it or not, make your own mind up, I'm not forcing you?

i'll go with or not given you havent me anything to go on

Like i say, that's up to you but if wish to carry on burying your head in the sand, it's that way ----------->

there are issues in every football team i wanted to know what your specific issues are.To say im not going to tell you seems a little odd on a forum.Shall we end it here or go round in a few more circles.?

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Siding with the player over the manager is not good in isolated incidents but when half the squad seems to have been upset or angered by the manager in some way you begin to think there is more to it, which is when the men above Mancini (even though he will tell you Begiristain and Soriano are not above him) have to step in and assess whether the manager has the leadership skills to take his players any further. Txiki is used to working with reasonable guys who are popular with their players like Rijkaard and Pep, not with an autocratic manager who treats his players like soldiers in the Soviet Armed Forces.

There aren't too many non-autocratic managers who win the trophies. One particularly autocratic manager is winning far more than his fair share, and he certainly wouldn't put up with any 'Technical Director' nonsense.

 

[Danamy]

i'll go with or not given you havent me anything to go on

Like i say, that's up to you but if wish to carry on burying your head in the sand, it's that way ----------->

there are issues in every football team i wanted to know what your specific issues are.To say im not going to tell you seems a little odd on a forum.Shall we end it here or go round in a few more circles.?

The issues are not for a public forum, so a good idea to end it here ;-)

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Hahahahaha . Further evidence of that comedy utopian football world you live in, mate. I suspect you read your 'Roy of the rovers' annuals when you grew up because it would be the only reason for your bizarrely naive opinions on the game. Not content with 'we have lost the league because our strikers are missing chances', you appear to want to push the conversation down the lines of a classic Cellar bottom feeder: 'we don't want to turn into Chelsea'.

Players get managers the sack in the real world, mate, but you won't find that at melchester rovers, granted. And any Director of Football worth his salt has a relationship with the club captain and senior pros. And if a captain as highly regarded and respected as vinny says to that D of F that the players have had enough of Mancini, then you can rest assured that Mancini will hit the high road.

Whether I'm happy about that or not is of course irrelevant to the real point: that Mancini is playing a dangerous game here.

As you will no doubt be aware, Roy race ended up as player manager ;-)

Just noticed you did reply so before I leave and ignoring all that Melchester Rovers bollocks the first thing that popped into my head is how it would have been so different if Txiki & co had listened to the senior pros and fucked Pep off instead.

Perhaps they were fans of Roy of Rovers as after all they did go for the utopian ideal. Worked too.

Oh, you don't like silly talk when it's done to you, do you not? Well that's funny, as your discussion style is very similar to the Scottish hotelier in Little Britain who whistles on his flute before blurting out some non-sensical riddle regardless of what is being discussed.

If you want to talk about txiki you might want to look at why he sacked frank rijkard. That should give you a clue as to why every manager in the game is finished when the players lose faith. Has this happened at city? Well we will find out in the summer, but regardless of your flute blowing, vinny is a bad enemy for him to make.

To repeat the point you ridiculed but didn't address amongst your riddles. One interview from vinny could finish Mancini. He won't do it, although he's obviously sanctioned a little leak, but he could.

And that's why Mancini was an idiot to go public with this spat