Kompany

[ecviper]

Has there been any quotes that Kompany is unhappy with all this or is it just hearsay and conjecture?

The latter

 

[Anonymous]

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that if City were to get rid of Mancini because he'd fallen out with Vinny it would empower the dressing room. This is patently just more nonsense when it could quite comfortably be argued that Vinny represents simply the straw breaking the camel's back. Over the last 3.5 years or so Mancini has had cart blanche to sell whoever he has wanted rid of, and sign whoever he has wanted. Even players he's signed who haven't fitted into his ways have been sold at his behest. The club aren't suddenly going to do a volte face and let the players decide the manager's future. Equally though, they aren't just going to keep selling players that Mancini decides he can no longer work with because his precious precious ego has been pricked. Particularly when those players are being coveted by the likes of Barcelona and those players don't really have a questionable professional attitude. At some point they're going to think "hmm, maybe this guy is the problem rather than the solution".

But of course this isn't the binary "sack manager be like Chelsea/keep manager be like United" position which is favoured by those who are running out of ways to defend the Italian.

 

[Bluemoon115]

Has there been any quotes that Kompany is unhappy with all this or is it just hearsay and conjecture?

Neither.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Damn. I leave you guys for 24 hours and this is what happens...

So to recap.

Mancini having a pop at Kompany is a bad thing

Kompany throwing some physio under the bus to have a pop back is a good thing - bet the physio enjoyed reading that over his morning espresso "Oh so I'm a useless c**t. Cheers Vinnie"

Mancini forcing Kompany out is a bad thing

Kompany forcing Mancini out is a good thing - is that bunting I see? Surely not.

The spectre of player power removing the manager ala Chelsea is not something I would personally cheer on but hey we can agree to differ.

As the St Vinnians celebrated last night with unbounded glee and endeavoured to smite the St Robertians with cries of heresy and whatnot the sectarian war rumbles on with all eyes turned to the new sect rising in the east. Does St Txikian and his followers have the answer? Do they posses the Holy Grail and the Book of Truth which reveals the path to the one true prophet?

Stay tuned

Well let me recap.

Last night you posted repeatedly that city should get rid of any player not happy with Mancini's management style.

Now it appears that that growing list of players includes our captain.

So rather than just resorting to the usual lots-of-waffle-but-say-nowt prose, can you just confirm that your sentiments should apply to kompany if hes unhappy with Mancini?

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Hahahahaha . Further evidence of that comedy utopian football world you live in, mate. I suspect you read your 'Roy of the rovers' annuals when you grew up because it would be the only reason for your bizarrely naive opinions on the game. Not content with 'we have lost the league because our strikers are missing chances', you appear to want to push the conversation down the lines of a classic Cellar bottom feeder: 'we don't want to turn into Chelsea'.

Players get managers the sack in the real world, mate, but you won't find that at melchester rovers, granted. And any Director of Football worth his salt has a relationship with the club captain and senior pros. And if a captain as highly regarded and respected as vinny says to that D of F that the players have had enough of Mancini, then you can rest assured that Mancini will hit the high road.

Whether I'm happy about that or not is of course irrelevant to the real point: that Mancini is playing a dangerous game here.

As you will no doubt be aware, Roy race ended up as player manager ;-)

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

Is that clear enough or do you want me to really fucking spell it out?

Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that if City were to get rid of Mancini because he'd fallen out with Vinny it would empower the dressing room. This is patently just more nonsense when it could quite comfortably be argued that Vinny represents simply the straw breaking the camel's back. Over the last 3.5 years or so Mancini has had cart blanche to sell whoever he has wanted rid of, and sign whoever he has wanted. Even players he's signed who haven't fitted into his ways have been sold at his behest. The club aren't suddenly going to do a volte face and let the players decide the manager's future. Equally though, they aren't just going to keep selling players that Mancini decides he can no longer work with because his precious precious ego has been pricked. Particularly when those players are being coveted by the likes of Barcelona and those players don't really have a questionable professional attitude. At some point they're going to think "hmm, maybe this guy is the problem rather than the solution".

But of course this isn't the binary "sack manager be like Chelsea/keep manager be like United" position which is favoured by those who are running out of ways to defend the Italian.

You're being a little harsh here. Mancini has removed players who he doesn't get on with, true enough, but it can also be argued that those same players have hardly gone on to better things once they have left. Maybe they just weren't good enough or had the right attitude to the game or the club? At this point in time though, I will reserve judgement on Balotelli as he only ever wanted to play for AC Milan, and his wish is now granted, but it must also be remembered that Mourinho regarded that same player as unmanageable.

 

[Danamy]

what issues?

I'm not disclosing the issues, they're issues surrounding the squad, don't forget he's the players spokesman and if you think it's been a bed of roses since 2009, your wrong!

You cant say there are issues then not say what they are!

I believe i just did, it's up to you if you believe it or not, make your own mind up, I'm not forcing you?

 

[kaz7]

I'm not disclosing the issues, they're issues surrounding the squad, don't forget he's the players spokesman and if you think it's been a bed of roses since 2009, your wrong!

You cant say there are issues then not say what they are!

I believe i just did, it's up to you if you believe it or not, make your own mind up, I'm not forcing you?

i'll go with or not given you havent me anything to go on

 

[Anonymous]

I should think that if I was a manager of a club who's injured player had gone off to join an international squad i wouldn't be best pleased either ...... and especially if my injured player had missed a fair few games , and not just the one ...... you're either injured or you aren't , and if you are then should be considering yourself for international action , no matter how patriotric you are ...... i can quite understand Mancinis recent upsets in both the Belgium and Argentine cases , Vincent Kompany is one of our most important and most influential players .... and , for that matter , so is Aguero ... and both players have experienced far too many first team absences this season.

At the end of the day your wages are paid by your employer , and for the huge wages that these stars enjoy , a club and manager is entitled to a decent 'return' from a fit employee ....

 

[The Future's Blue]

Am I the only one that likes BKs posts?

Keep up the good work mate.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well let me recap.

Last night you posted repeatedly that city should get rid of any player not happy with Mancini's management style.

Now it appears that that growing list of players includes our captain.

So rather than just resorting to the usual lots-of-waffle-but-say-nowt prose, can you just confirm that your sentiments should apply to kompany if hes unhappy with Mancini?

Course they bloody apply. Only an idiot thinks empowering the dressing room is a good call. You empower the dressing room you get Chelsea with managers every 6 months and a youth system that is excellent but never utilised because fear of the sack and fear of the dressing room trumps all. You get Real Madrid who could lose one of the best coaches in the world because the players have the power and the Madrid board allow them that power. You want to know how it works best see Taggart and MU. One boss and it ain't the players. I don't care if the one boss is Roberto or Txiki as long as it aint the fucking players. Vinny wants to get cute and start throwing coaching staff under the bus by way of getting back at Mancini? There's the door.

Its dribbling insanity to go down that path irrespective of the player involved. If the player is right you sack off the player and then 3 months down the line sack off the manager for 'unrelated reasons'. Never link the one to the other.

If this spat over Vinny has Kompany and Txiki plotting away to get rid of Mancini I'd fucking sack Txiki on the spot for being a drooling idiot. That you think this is great news (like what?) then you can fill in the blanks yourself.

I think this is nonsense to be honest.

Why is stability always United? Very few teams keep a manager for two decades. Bayern and Barca are two examples of teams who have been stable and successful whilst changing managers.

Why is it if we sack a manager we are Chelsea? Very few teams are that reckless (Chelsea have made it work to their credit) and sack a manager when the horizon becomes a turbulent journey. Barca sack Rijkaard for an unknown and were slaughtered for it, look where it got them. Inter sacked Mancini and ended up winning a treble. Harry got sacked and Spurs sold one of their best players and had just two strikers going into this campaign, yet they are doing ok, why is this?

Things aren't as clear cut as United or Chelsea, besides Chelsea are a giant in football and are reigning Fa cup and CL winners, not bad for a circus aye? Not saying I want to emulate them but this opinion of yours is basic in logic and is rather extreme.

Even if we keep Mancini, by his own admission and his sons, he will not be here any longer than 3-5 years. He wants to go to Spain for a challenge and work in Italy again.

OK clearly I need to spell it out. Christ on a bike.

This has fuck all to do with Mancini. Its about empowering the dressing room. Nothing else. Sack them both if you like. Whatever. I don't care. Just don't empower the dressing room. Do not let players dictate who the manager is or how he manages.

The Spurs dressing room did not sack Redknapp. Daniel Levy did because a) he had just spent £40m on a new state of the art training complex and wanted to, you know actually employ a coach who would use it and b) Redknapp had run his course which happens. If Mancini has run his course he will go. He will go at some point that is inevitable. I am not after or interested in some fucking Mancini dynasty.

Pep and Barca. Very nice. So fucking what. Pep took over on condition certain players considered troublemakers would be moved on. Ferran & Txiki said ok and the players where moved on. No empowering there and hopefully no empowering here.

You and others have been jumping up and down giddy with excitement at Kompany doing for Mancini and that he, and I quote, 'could finish Mancini with one single interview'. That is what I am addressing. The sheer stupidity of that viewpoint and where that could lead.

Are we now clear as to the point I am making and the specific views I am addressing?