Kyle Walker

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Dax777 said:
I think we did. The year before, Everton simply didn't want to sell. So they said 50 million or Fuck off. Meaning either you pay excessively coz we'd rather keep him. By the time we went in for him Everton wanted to sell and they has already brought in a replacement. At that point he should have been a 25 to 30 million player. A potential star with add one. Instead we paid the "fuck you" amount Chelsea got quoted.

I like the lad, but the price was shit. And the way you know is this - if we tried to move Stones today l, no one will pay 31 million for him.

This is how we need to start thinking.
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Three reasons I can't agree with that.

1 - if we want to buy the best you have to pay the inflated prices. John stones is a young, highly promising English player and he was highly in demand when we bought him. It doesn't matter that Everton had a replacement, we were in competition with united and chelsea for him. we were never going to get him much cheaper than we did.

2 - you can look at almost any team in the top flight and you will be able to find a handful of players that look like they may have been overpriced when bought. It's just the way these things go. For every mangala is a Gabi Jesus.

We can either spend a lot less in future or we can buy the best, we can't do both, it's not realistic

3 - if we sold stones today we may not make back what we paid but in 2-3 years time he could be worth much more. This is the very nature of speculative investment.
 
Dax777 said:
Lots. Kimmich, Weiser, Semedo, Henrichs, Perreira, Passlack, Bernado to name a few. True I haven't watched all of them deeply. But rated highly they all are.
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Kimmich is available? Henrich we were linked to but he's signed an extension, would probably end up too close to Walkers fee now.

Anyway thanks for that it's genuinely good to see someone give alternative suggestions, I don't know much about them but Bernardo being Brazilian with a chance to learn from Alves and hang out with Jesus might have his interest if we had a cheeky bid for him.

Ricardo Perreira - (23) - OGC Nice
Nélson Semedo (23) - Benfica
Mitchell Weiser (23) - Hertha BSC
Felix Passlack (19) - BVB
Bernardo Fernandes da Silva Junior (22) - RB Leipzig

It all depends on who's actually available and for how much but if we hedge our bets on a few then the chances are they will not want to talk themselves out of a deal by being too greedy if they think we have options.

Also to those trying to justify 50m what's point in using other examples of clubs overpaying to say it's just the market so it's ok? The market is dictated by what clubs are willing to pay, the overpaying wont stop until clubs are forced to lower their prices by walking away for better value elsewhere, it's the only way the greedy pigs will learn.
 
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Metalartin said:
Ricardo Perreira - (23) - OGC Nice
Nélson Semedo (23) - Benfica
Mitchell Weiser (23) - Hertha BSC
Felix Passlack (19) - BVB
Bernardo Fernandes da Silva Junior (22) - RB Leipzig
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None of them are good enough right now (though can't be sure about Perreira as I watched Nice just 2-3 times this season). Seems like FM scouting.

Besides, most of them have skillsets that differ much from Walker's. IMO the idea behind Mendy's and Walker's transfers is clear - to form a physically monstrous and tall defence able to cope with PL's refereeing while stopping counters.

I think Aurier and Sidibe are viable options, but both are not better that Walker.
 
Dax777 said:
Why agree with a lie? The solution is right there in his claim. Find a worth it foreign fullback and move Kolarov and Dihno. The very 2 names he mentioned.

And I'm.not even a front office guy. But I can see the possibilities.

Kolarov, Bravo, Dihno, and Ota. Are four foreign players who are unlikely to be starters. You can move any of them.


Lets go outside the box here

Henrichs in
Dihno out
Delph stays.

Henrichs a 14 million pound up and coming RB, with the best tackle/Interception combo of all fullbacks in the top 5 leagues. Comes in to learn from Alves and team up with him to dominate the RB position. He is bigger than Walker, just as rapid, a better crosser, uses both feet well. Way younger too. So more moldable. Boom! Full back problem solved.

Move Dihno on. Yes, its painful, great player, good lad, but closing in on 32 and showed a bit of decline last season. Unlikely to start at any position and mostly will probably be a deep backup next year. Sell for 8 million. Total Net spend on Right back? 6 million! Now that's putting together a good deal.



Keep Delph as the 6th CM instead. Sure he'll be injured a lot, but lets be real, the other 5 will play 95% of the games even if he or Digno were healthy for every game.

So issue solved. And we still have 3 wildcards we can move if the Mbappe thing shakes :)
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Just think we'd save £200'000 a week if you swapped places with Pep. You've got it all sussed.
 
Andrew___K said:
None of them are good enough right now (though can't be sure about Perreira as I watched Nice just 2-3 times this season). Seems like FM scouting.

Besides, most of them have skillsets that differ much from Walker's. IMO the idea behind Mendy's and Walker's transfers is clear - to form a physically monstrous and tall defence able to cope with PL's refereeing while stopping counters.

I think Aurier and Sidibe are viable options, but both are not better that Walker.
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Well google says Bernardo is taller than Walker, :) if he has a the pace and the skills to match he might be a good shout, as I said being Brazilian he would probably learn from Alves the fastest.

Might mess things up on the name front as we wont know what to call B. Silva having two Bernardos and three Silvas but we'll think about that later.
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Troy deeney is valued at 30 million.

Bolaise went to Everton for 30 million

Luke shaw cost 32 million

Walker is miles and miles a better player than those sort of players.

The value is about right in today's market.
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Clyne, Walker's equal went for 12 million
Rosriquez, an international equal went for 15 a few weeks ago
Bolasie is an attacking player. The highest paid for that position is around 90 million (Bale and Ronaldo) so a 3rd of that price is understandable. Albeit poor, seeing as they could have had better value.

Troy. Deeney is valued at 25 million by a Chinese club. Which is the epitome of excess in football. But 25 mil lion for Deeney is still not 45 - 50 million.

Btw United couldn't sell Shaw for 32 million if they tried to with a 20 million goldchain tied around his neck.
 
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