Kyle Walker

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Dirty Harry said:
And yet, after 11 years of being a member, and 142 posts in that time, you feel compelled to come on and defend him ? Riiiight ;-).
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Oh come on. I'm not defending him ffs.

He did have his fair share of criticism on Alexis Sánchez, Dani Alves and CAS verdict. But in the Sánchez and Alves case, even the club bosses included Pep was blindsided. So can we blame him for that...? I don't. On the other hand regarding CAS and sometimes subtle/not so subtle dig on our Club, he gets the criticism which is fully justified.

Remember few season ago, when he reported in the Athletic that 5/6 players were unhappy notably Ilkay, Bernardo and Laporte and they want to leave. Everyone was calling for his head. Then eventually Pep confirmed this was indeed the case.

In the Grealish transfer case, when lots of journalists were saying he's not coming here. But Sam Lee double down every-time on his initial view which was vindicated in the end.

This year his views on Mahrez and Kyle was more or less accurate.

I know, he's not the goto guy from the club's point of view like Jack Gaughan or Martin Blackburn or Simon Mullock (to some lesser extent), but i believe he has some good source in the club most probably players or players agent.
 
Phil1 said:
I don’t think he changed his mind at all. I think he was undecided and was happy to listen to what Bayern had to say but ultimately when push came to shove he knew where his bread was buttered.
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He also said in a podcast last week that Bayern felt Kyle wasn’t 100% committed to the yes he had given them. Pep basically confirmed that they were in talks with Bayern over a fee also during pre-season so he obviously had given them some sort of positive indication for it to get to the stage of club negotiations. He’s been offered a better contract and probably been given assurances by pep he’s still very much in his plans- preference was probably always to stay at city but he maybe just had doubts as to where he fit in
 
VirginiaBlues said:
But but but Sam Lee is a Rag...
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Gladiator007 said:
Oh come on. I'm not defending him ffs.

He did have his fair share of criticism on Alexis Sánchez, Dani Alves and CAS verdict. But in the Sánchez and Alves case, even the club bosses included Pep was blindsided. So can we blame him for that...? I don't. On the other hand regarding CAS and sometimes subtle/not so subtle dig on our Club, he gets the criticism which is fully justified.

Remember few season ago, when he reported in the Athletic that 5/6 players were unhappy notably Ilkay, Bernardo and Laporte and they want to leave. Everyone was calling for his head. Then eventually Pep confirmed this was indeed the case.

In the Grealish transfer case, when lots of journalists were saying he's not coming here. But Sam Lee double down every-time on his initial view which was vindicated in the end.

This year his views on Mahrez and Kyle was more or less accurate.

I know, he's not the goto guy from the club's point of view like Jack Gaughan or Martin Blackburn or Simon Mullock (to some lesser extent), but i believe he has some good source in the club most probably players or players agent.
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For someone not defending him that's some long post!
 
Claytop said:
Anytime I think Lee might not be as much of a twat as I thought I remember this..

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This was his single biggest fuck up, and (in my view) the moment that a lot of City fans turned against him.

Up til the whole UEFA/CAS debacle, most City fans seemed happy to give him the benefit of the doubt - even though he’s a Rag.

Stuart Brennan was largely respected and even applauded for his reporting on City, and fans seemed willing to engage with Sam reasonably positively too.

But then he openly started courting the client ‘journalist’ group, and his tone inevitably changed. Leading to suspicions that perhaps he was getting paid to push outright lies and lazy, racist tropes about the Club and our owners too.

And from that point, it seemed to me any good will and credibility he had built up evaporated in an instant.

Shame for him given its probably made his job more difficult - but not one I’ll be losing any sleep over.

In some ways I hope the client journalists did manage to get him on the payroll, as otherwise he’s been very naive in openly allowing himself to be used by them - and having his credibility trashed in the process - to no apparent benefit.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
This was his single biggest fuck up, and (in my view) the moment that a lot of City fans turned against him.

Up til the whole UEFA/CAS debacle, most City fans seemed happy to give him the benefit of the doubt - even though he’s a Rag.

Stuart Brennan was largely respected for his reporting on City, and fans seemed willing to engage with Sam reasonably positively.

But then he openly started courting the client ‘journalist’ group, and his tone inevitably changed. Leading to suspicions that perhaps he was being paid to push outright lies and lazy, racist tropes about the Club and our owners too.

And from that point, it seemed to me any good will and credibility he had built up disappeared in an instant.

Shame for him given its probably made his job more difficult - but not one I’ll be losing any sleep over.

In some ways I hope the client journalists did manage to get him on the payroll, as otherwise he’s been very naive in openly allowing himself to be used by them - and having his credibility trashed in the process.
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The mask slipped. He's a chancer. Respect to him for making a living on chatting shite
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
This was his single biggest fuck up, and (in my view) the moment that a lot of City fans turned against him.

Up til the whole UEFA/CAS debacle, most City fans seemed happy to give him the benefit of the doubt - even though he’s a Rag.

Stuart Brennan was largely respected and even applauded for his reporting on City, and fans seemed willing to engage with Sam reasonably positively too.

But then he openly started courting the client ‘journalist’ group, and his tone inevitably changed. Leading to suspicions that perhaps he was getting paid to push outright lies and lazy, racist tropes about the Club and our owners too.

And from that point, it seemed to me any good will and credibility he had built up evaporated in an instant.

Shame for him given its probably made his job more difficult - but not one I’ll be losing any sleep over.

In some ways I hope the client journalists did manage to get him on the payroll, as otherwise he’s been very naive in openly allowing himself to be used by them - and having his credibility trashed in the process - to no apparent benefit.
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Never, ever give a rag the benefit of the doubt.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Sam Lee was pretty much right all along with the Walker saga. He said he was thinking of going to Bayern.

Then, when reports came out about our first new contract offer and others thought Kyle would stay, Lee doubled down and said Munich were still a likely destination for him.

Now he’s found out first he’s staying. He’s either got contacts with Walker’s entourage, someone in Germany or a City bod.

He‘s said himself that since joining the Athletic, he doesn’t need to aggregate transfer stuff for clicks and so is generally reliable when he tweets stuff, imho.

He‘s obviously got stuff wrong in the past though and it’s a good job I don’t really care what is true and isn’t at this stage.

Should we sign a midfielder or winger, I’ll be happy to see what they can bring.

If not, we get to see a couple of our youngsters try their stuff in the big time.

Winning the treble has calmed me. This season will be what it is.

We still have Pep. Therefore all honours are possible.
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I agree with all of that apart from the bit you talk about Lee.. :-)
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Sam Lee was pretty much right all along with the Walker saga. He said he was thinking of going to Bayern.

Then, when reports came out about our first new contract offer and others thought Kyle would stay, Lee doubled down and said Munich were still a likely destination for him.

Now he’s found out first he’s staying. He’s either got contacts with Walker’s entourage, someone in Germany or a City bod.

He‘s said himself that since joining the Athletic, he doesn’t need to aggregate transfer stuff for clicks and so is generally reliable when he tweets stuff, imho.

He‘s obviously got stuff wrong in the past though and it’s a good job I don’t really care what is true and isn’t at this stage.

Should we sign a midfielder or winger, I’ll be happy to see what they can bring.

If not, we get to see a couple of our youngsters try their stuff in the big time.

Winning the treble has calmed me. This season will be what it is.

We still have Pep. Therefore all honours are possible.
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Not wanting to dwell on this too much, but the only thing Lee did was transmit information he got either from the agent (to get a better deal from City) or from Bayern somehow (to "encourage" a deal they want). So far he hasn't been right about anything. The initial story about "wanting" to leave because it seems he is staying, or the doubling down because, well, it seems he staying. Anyway, rather than being right, it seems to me he has just been fed information certain parties wanted out. And he dutifully put it out.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not wanting to dwell on this too much, but the only thing Lee did was transmit information he got either from the agent (to get a better deal from City) or from Bayern somehow (to "encourage" a deal they want). So far he hasn't been right about anything. The initial story about "wanting" to leave because it seems he is staying, or the doubling down because, well, it seems he staying. Anyway, rather than being right, it seems to me he has just been fed information certain parties wanted out. And he dutifully put it out.
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He did what journalists do and shared the info he had got. It seems Kyle has changed his mind, given that it’s taken 6 weeks for anyone to report that he was 100% staying.

It‘s odd that once any public person has said something that doesn’t come true that they are deemed untrustworthy and can no longer be used as a source.

It’s not just with Sam Lee. You see loads of people dismiss information because they have fallen for the “tier” nonsense.

Different people get different titbits of information. It’s up to the reader to work out how true each bit is.

Even “Here we go” Romano jumped the gun with Guardiol. Does that mean he is now discredited for ever? For some people, it will do.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He did what journalists do and shared the info he had got. It seems Kyle has changed his mind, given that it’s taken 6 weeks for anyone to report that he was 100% staying.

It‘s odd that once any public person has said something that doesn’t come true that they are deemed untrustworthy and can no longer be used as a source.

It’s not just with Sam Lee. You see loads of people dismiss information because they have fallen for the “tier” nonsense.

Different people get different titbits of information. It’s up to the reader to work out how true each bit is.

Even “Here we go” Romano jumped the gun with Guardiol. Does that mean he is now discredited for ever? For some people, it will do.
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You are arguing points I didn't make. It's like you were never away .... :)

Anyway, Romano doesn't have any credit with me either. He is a conduit, nothing more. He got Gvardiol timing wrong because he doesn't have access to either club, so he was just a tool for the agent to use, like Lee was in the Walker case.
 
halfcenturyup said:
You are arguing points I didn't make. It's like you were never away .... :)

Anyway, Romano doesn't have any credit with me either. He is a conduit, nothing more. He got Gvardiol timing wrong because he doesn't have access to either club, so he was just a tool for the agent to use, like Lee was in the Walker case.
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Apologies for trying to debate with you. I’ve learned my lesson.
 
Coatigan said:
No you haven't!
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I have. There’s something that either I can’t understand what he is debating or he isn’t clear in what he is saying. Either way, it’s not good for the rest of the board, so I’ll ignore him. Nothing personal, it’s just a better experience for me (and hopefully others).
 
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