Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

US - hardly gonna nuke us
France - well their nukes haven't really been helpfull in stopping them being attacked domestically, hardly gonna attack us
India & Pakistan - used by both to prevent them attacking each other.., unlikely they will nuke us.
Isreal - Their to prevent any Idea of nearby countries attacking en mass, very unlikely they will nuke us.
North Korea - have not got the capability to nuke us at present.
China - global main player but also not a country famed for expansionism or war mongering, hardly likely to nuke us.
Russia - only country that might consider attacking us, but they know if they launched a nuke at anyone Nato would retaliate, more likely to attack us by land and sea than nuke us.

So of the other 8 nuclear armed countries, there is really hardly a chance of us ever being nuked and us using nukes, Germany, Spain, South Africa, Japan, Canada etc don't feel the need to have them and we don't need thwm either.
I would rather have a strong well equipt army/navy/air force and inteligence serviceready to defend this Island and help other countries when needed than money wasted on a deterent we will never use.


I am afraid though you are correct in your summary of those nations, in that summary you cannot be 100% sure with some of those nations, With N Korea you say at present? Russia may be a threat as you say, imho whilst Putin is in charge there will be sabre rattling but nothing more, but what comes after Putin. our nuclear weapons are not just a deterent against use of nuclear weapons against us but other WMD too.

Ideal world and all that....but sadly its not.

I agree with your views on the conventional forces, however under Corbyn that would not be the case would it? Not that the Tories have been much better under Cameron.
 
No one else is stupid enough to do so. Not even Kim jong whatsit. Mist of us grew up with the concept of MAD which is basically a global version of Americas fuckwitted gun laws.
If three people have loads guns pointed at each others heads, then the only way to resolve the impasse is by either going for it and hoping you are quick on the draw or putting your gun down and walking away. There is of course a chance of getting shot in the back as you walk off, but maybe a risk worth taking to resolve the situation?


They are not stupid enough to do so because the other nations may fire some back.......mutually assured destruction it was called in the cold war. Sadly in your scenario as with gun nuts in America, putting your gun down is very likely to get you shot in the back so nobody is going to put that gun down.

As admitted by Tariq Aziz after the gulf war, Iraq only didnt use chemical warheads against Israel because they knew absolutely that Israel would have responded with nuclear weapons....the first one on Baghdad.

Nuclear weapons have been responsible more than anything else for making sure world war 3 remains an event yet to happen, why would we get rid?
 

LOL....There in lies the rub, with the exception of Trident Corbyn is Harold Wilson, in fact in many regards Wilson was to the left of him. It is a testimony to how far right the centre ground has become that Corbyn, who is firmly in the European Social Democratic mould, is, in this small minded island, considered a radical Marxist.
 
I am afraid though you are correct in your summary of those nations, in that summary you cannot be 100% sure with some of those nations, With N Korea you say at present? Russia may be a threat as you say, imho whilst Putin is in charge there will be sabre rattling but nothing more, but what comes after Putin. our nuclear weapons are not just a deterent against use of nuclear weapons against us but other WMD too.

Ideal world and all that....but sadly its not.

I agree with your views on the conventional forces, however under Corbyn that would not be the case would it? Not that the Tories have been much better under Cameron.

However much I despise the hard left let's not be under any illusion that the Tories are any better, Cameron and co hollowed out our Armed Forces and have never been taken to task for it, and people wonder why there is so much apathy when it comes to voting in elections, zero choice and don't get me started on Tim Fallon and his mob.
 
LOL....There in lies the rub, with the exception of Trident Corbyn is Harold Wilson, in fact in many regards Wilson was to the left of him. It is a testimony to how far right the centre ground has become that Corbyn, who is firmly in the European Social Democratic mould, is, in this small minded island, considered a radical Marxist.

You are right about Wilson, though he didnt scrap our nuclear weapons he scrapped the TSR2 amongst other things. How you can accuse this island of being small minded is beyond belief.
 
LOL....There in lies the rub, with the exception of Trident Corbyn is Harold Wilson, in fact in many regards Wilson was to the left of him. It is a testimony to how far right the centre ground has become that Corbyn, who is firmly in the European Social Democratic mould, is, in this small minded island, considered a radical Marxist.

Was Wilson a Republican?, I'm not sure but I don't think he was, I know Atlee wasn't so that could be another difference. The centre ground has shifted dramatically since Thatcher, self interest rules despite the hard left being very active and vociferous most people don't give a shit.
 
LOL....There in lies the rub, with the exception of Trident Corbyn is Harold Wilson, in fact in many regards Wilson was to the left of him. It is a testimony to how far right the centre ground has become that Corbyn, who is firmly in the European Social Democratic mould, is, in this small minded island, considered a radical Marxist.
This is quite true.
From his style to his policies Corbyn would, in Norway for example, be an unremarkably mainstream, run-of-the-mill social-democrat. His policy-platform places him squarely in the Norwegian Labour Party from which the last leader is such a widely respected establishment figure that upon resignation he became the current Secretary-General of NATO(though we know as a pacifist jezza would hardly end up as this).

Yet, here a politician who makes similar policy-proposals, indeed those that form the very bedrock of the Nordic-model, is brandished as an extremist of the hard-left and a danger to society.

Corbyn is far from being some revolutionary maxist, John McDonnell on the other hand is further to the left, but he has never hid this fact.
 

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