Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[Prestwich_Blue]

11 gone from the Shadow Cabinet. How can Corbyn survive this?

The rest could all do two or three jobs in the Shadow Cabinet, rather than just doing one each?

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

Nail on the head both of you, we could have had the two David's, Paddy Pantsdown and co returning like prodigal sons in their twilight years but the party is as dead as a Dodo.

It's sad because before 2010 they had a fantastic long term strategy that was working and would have seen them grow into a party capable of government. By targeting students they had a great base of highly educated individuals who after they graduate will spread all around the country. They shat on that strategy when the fucked the students over. They are seen as the most europhile party and they barely registered in the EU referendum such is the nature of their decline.

Let's pretend the Lib Dems didn't go into coalition. Right now their hand would be incredibly strong, they could tell the 48% that the other two parties let them down and are on the decline and that they are the real alternative to UKIP and Farage. They'd never be so strong.

Tories split
Labour ineffective and up the creek without a paddle everywhere outside of London
Lib Dems dead in the water
UKIP? Who knows what Farage will do next
Greens laughable and not taken seriously by anyone
Plaid Cymru are so out of touch with the Welsh people it's painful to see them claim they are the party of Wales

Only the SNP are in a good place right now, this last few years have changed politics in the UK forever.

 

[blueparrot]

Or at least understanding what they are voting for...And i'm not picking on kids as I think they are as informed or better informed that their elders. Starting the education early might result in a more informed vote in 20, 30, 40 years time.

One of he consequences of 16 yr olds being given the vote in Scotland has been a bigger engagement in politics and the choices in the 16 yr olds still at school discussing with friends and talking about their choices which teachers and parents and actually watching the news programmes.. My children and friends are better informed than I remember being as I only heard my parents talk politics and they always agreed.

 

[worsleyweb]

What do shadow cabinet people do? Just slag off the people actually doing the real job?

 

[kaz7]

What do shadow cabinet people do? Just slag off the people actually doing the real job?

Thats all the tories did when they were there

 

[Clevers]

It's sad because before 2010 they had a fantastic long term strategy that was working and would have seen them grow into a party capable of government. By targeting students they had a great base of highly educated individuals who after they graduate will spread all around the country. They shat on that strategy when the fucked the students over. They are seen as the most europhile party and they barely registered in the EU referendum such is the nature of their decline.

Let's pretend the Lib Dems didn't go into coalition. Right now their hand would be incredibly strong, they could tell the 48% that the other two parties let them down and are on the decline and that they are the real alternative to UKIP and Farage. They'd never be so strong.

Tories split
Labour ineffective and up the creek without a paddle everywhere outside of London
Lib Dems dead in the water
UKIP? Who knows what Farage will do next
Greens laughable and not taken seriously by anyone
Plaid Cymru are so out of touch with the Welsh people it's painful to see them claim they are the party of Wales

Only the SNP are in a good place right now, this last few years have changed politics in the UK forever.

The problem is that in 2010 the Lib Dems were damned whatever they did

1) Join with the Tories - damned for that ( as seen)
2) Join with Labour - damned for that.
3) Do nothing - be damned for not making a decision.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

What do shadow cabinet people do? Just slag off the people actually doing the real job?

Or in Benn's Syria case do their job for them.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

The Labour party was infiltrated by right/centre politicians long ago. With the Tories in disarray anyone who thinks this en masse walk-out has not been orchestrated to divert attention needs to pay more attention. When is the Chilcot report out ? Next week you say ? Corbyn will press ahead with a call for Tony Blair to face war crimes. Corbyn as PM will regulate the press and render Murdoch powerless. He will end the infinite funding of arms dealers. He is the establishments worst fucking nightmare and if all else fails to remove him as a threat to their wealth, expect assassination attempts.

 

[1961_vintage]

What do shadow cabinet people do? Just slag off the people actually doing the real job?

It's a bit like on here where a number of people have been self-appointed "Shadow City Manager".

 

[1961_vintage]

He is the establishments worst fucking nightmare and if all else fails to remove him as a threat to their wealth, expect assassination attempts.

Wow.