Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[I'm With Stupid]

Some people will just never be interested. I wouldn't trust teachers to teach politics either - unless it was just about how Parliament works, and how our democracy works. If it was about political parties, I wouldn't allow a teacher within a thousand miles of it.

They already do teach politics at GCSE, AFAIK. It's just not very widespread. I'd assume it's more about issues themselves, rather than individual parties' policies.

 

[urban genie]

The name doesn't ring a bell, what does holds quite left wing views mean? The grass roots wanted a different direction, anti new labour if you like, someone who is a bit of a leftie will soon be poked into coming around believe me. When was the last time we had a government that roughly followed the beliefs of Corbyn or labours members?

Ex BBC jounalist and army reservist who served a tour in Afghanistan and who was elected MP for Norwich Suoth in last election, Shadow Minister (Energy and Climate Change) strong Corbyn supporter and when elected called new labour dead and burried.

Voting habbits in link below, I would say he is pretty left wing, maybe not entirely in tune with everything Corbyn advocates, but he is far removed from the progress side of the party that the membership have rejected by voting Corbyn in

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25356/clive_lewis/norwich_south/votes

 

[blueparrot]

I'd love to know too. I actually like a lot of Corbyn's policies and of all the party leaders we're probably the closest aligned, but what good is that if the man is un-electable? I'm happy to sacrifice some points in order to further others, most importantly to give this country back a strong opposition which I believe is crucial to the day to day function of any democracy. We need accountability, and no matter how many of the mans views I agree with I don't see how Corbyn possibly provides that.

As far fetched as the idea seems now, I'm wondering if the only hope lay in this left-Tory right-Labour splinter party idea.

I think you may be right, but I wonder what the Liberals are up to and whether they will be able to reinvent themselves as a centrist party. Either the Liberals or the Labour Party could learn a lot from the way the SNP have positioned themselves as a left of centre party but with a pragmatic approach to business through sheer pragmatism they have achieved for the last ten years what the Scottish system was designed to prevent, in one party winning power.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Oh sorry but I have had enough over the last couple of days with bitter remainers hitting out at peoples ability to vote and as I have said if a person wants to stick a pin in a ballot paper that is their right

If you have had enough then log off or simply don't respond.

Nothing in my post is bitter in the slightest and the fact that you are trying to suggest that it is means that you are either looking for an argument or shooting down my opinion, which is ironically what you're accusing me of doing to Brexit voters.

If you don't think that kids should be educated on the matter then fair enough that's your view and you are entitled to it. However, in a curriculum which includes RE and Business then surely it could be incorporated that kids could learn a bit about politics too. It might even inspire people to vote in the future instead of not bothering.

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

If the lib dems hadn't committed political suicide by jumping into bed with the tories they would've been superbly placed to win an election right now

Great post and very true. They'd be able to say they were the attractive alternative to UKIP and they would hoover up many remain voters. Labour are dead in Scotland and dying a very slow painful death in their Norhern heartlands. UKIP will be rebranded over the summer and the new party spearheaded by Farage is going to obliterate the Labour vote in the old industrial areas. Blair opening up the borders has created the beast that is UKIP and the sneering Corbynistas in metroville have fed it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

If you have had enough then log off or simply don't respond.

Nothing in my post is bitter in the slightest and the fact that you are trying to suggest that it is means that you are either looking for an argument or shooting down my opinion, which is ironically what you're accusing me of doing to Brexit voters.

If you don't think that kids should be educated on the matter then fair enough that's your view and you are entitled to it. However, in a curriculum which includes RE and Business then surely it could be incorporated that kids could learn a bit about politics too. It might even inspire people to vote in the future instead of not bothering.

Or at least understanding what they are voting for...And i'm not picking on kids as I think they are as informed or better informed that their elders. Starting the education early might result in a more informed vote in 20, 30, 40 years time.

 

[taleofbluehalves]

11 gone from the Shadow Cabinet. How can Corbyn survive this?

 

[philiph20]

Great post and very true. They'd be able to say they were the attractive alternative to UKIP and they would hoover up many remain voters. Labour are dead in Scotland and dying a very slow painful death in their Norhern heartlands. UKIP will be rebranded over the summer and the new party spearheaded by Farage is going to obliterate the Labour vote in the old industrial areas. Blair opening up the borders has created the beast that is UKIP and the sneering Corbynistas in metroville have fed it.

Nail on the head both of you, we could have had the two David's, Paddy Pantsdown and co returning like prodigal sons in their twilight years but the party is as dead as a Dodo.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

11 gone from the Shadow Cabinet. How can Corbyn survive this?

By choosing his shadow cabinet more wisely next time.

 

[malg]

11 gone from the Shadow Cabinet. How can Corbyn survive this?

Just seen a graphic on Sky.

30 in Shadow Cabinet
11 gone
7 staying

So there's still 12 undecided.

Bloody meltdown.