Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[Monkfish]

I too think that would be a great idea but choosing a leader would be the issue.

And in what way is that different to every other party at the moment? ;)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I too think that would be a great idea but choosing a leader would be the issue.

Someone would emerge. They always do.

 

[hilts]

I think the prime reason for the disconnect between the electorate and those it elects to represent it is our electoral system.

People say FPTP provides strong government, but it could equally be said that it usually allows one political party, once it's reached the critical mass of 36% of the votes cast, to do pretty much what the fuck they want for half a decade. How can that be healthy for our democracy? How can that truly represent the will of the people? Is it any wonder that politicians don't feel they need to listen to the electorate, especially when they've got a safe seat? They know they don't need to listen because our voting system protects them from having to.

I know attenuated electoral reform was put to the electorate half a decade or so ago, but the political landscape has hugely changed since then. It's hugely changed in the last week! As much as I dislike their politics, the number of MPs UKIP have compared to their share of the vote at the last GE is an absolute disgrace and hugely undemocratic.

We desperately need to change our broadly nineteenth century political system, and if we do, perhaps the calibre of politician will improve accordingly. It's got to be worth a shot, surely.

Who will start the ball rolling though that's the problem, the only ones who can change have the most to lose, I stated earlier we need new parties, the old ideologies that the Tories and labour have been based on have long gone. Watching question time earlier the politicians still don't get it, if I hear we need to listen to the electorate again I will kick the telly in, I have heard that on question time from these dicks for 30 years.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

IMHO, the posh 11 shadow Cabinet Ministers who resigned today are at the heart of Labour's inability to connect with working class communities.

The SNP put forward candidates at the last General election who local people
Could relate too.

Labour needs more working class stars!

 

[urban genie]

IMHO, the posh 11 shadow Cabinet Ministers who resigned today are at the heart of Labour's inability to connect with working class communities.

The SNP put forward candidates at the last General election who local people
Could relate too.

Labour needs more working class stars!

I agree, already in Gorton there are murmurs in the local party that if Kaufman retires, the PLP want to parachute that bellend Ed Balls in. That would be a disgrace and lose votes including mine, the candidate should be a local Manc if not gortonian.

But they don't seem to understand that their self interests as a westminster elite is alienated some support

 

[FantasyIreland]

Someone would emerge. They always do.

I was quite impressed with the Justice minister,Dominic Raab,when he was on question time earlier.

Rather than continue to point score and woman about the decision......He seemed to be the only one concerned with moving forward and making the best of the situation.His manner and character was impressive.

 

[Monkfish]

Corbyn refusing to resign and will stand again for the leadership if vote of no confidence goes ahead....

 

[adrianr]

I think the prime reason for the disconnect between the electorate and those it elects to represent it is our electoral system.

People say FPTP provides strong government, but it could equally be said that it usually allows one political party, once it's reached the critical mass of 36% of the votes cast, to do pretty much what the fuck they want for half a decade. How can that be healthy for our democracy? How can that truly represent the will of the people? Is it any wonder that politicians don't feel they need to listen to the electorate, especially when they've got a safe seat? They know they don't need to listen because our voting system protects them from having to.

I know attenuated electoral reform was put to the electorate half a decade or so ago, but the political landscape has hugely changed since then. It's hugely changed in the last week! As much as I dislike their politics, the number of MPs UKIP have compared to their share of the vote at the last GE is an absolute disgrace and hugely undemocratic.

We desperately need to change our broadly nineteenth century political system, and if we do, perhaps the calibre of politician will improve accordingly. It's got to be worth a shot, surely.

Exactly!

The most important political decision most of us will probably ever make was done with 1 person having 1 vote being worth exactly the same as everyone else's 1 vote. Is it really that outlandish to suggest we vote for our Governments in the same way? Is it such a disaster to have coalitions instead of outright majorities? Like you say, the political landscape has now hugely changed. If we didn't have so many other huge glaring problems I would definitely be looking at revisiting our voting system.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I agree, already in Gorton there are murmurs in the local party that if Kaufman retires, the PLP want to parachute that bellend Ed Balls in. That would be a disgrace and lose votes including mine, the candidate should be a local Manc if not gortonian.

Sot on mate! Ed Balls lost Morley that should have been a safe Labour seat.

A local person could do great things. It pisses me off that Andy Burnham is after the Mayor Manchester role.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Who will start the ball rolling though that's the problem, the only ones who can change have the most to lose, I stated earlier we need new parties, the old ideologies that the Tories and labour have been based on have long gone. Watching question time earlier the politicians still don't get it, if I hear we need to listen to the electorate again I will kick the telly in, I have heard that on question time from these dicks for 30 years.

You're absolutely right about turkeys not voting for Christmas, and my post was more in hope than expectation. That said, the conditions are presently better than they have ever been for effectuating such change, such is the general antipathy towards politics and politicians. I agree with your observations about the standard of our politicians, which is utterly woeful.

Maybe the Libdems time in government, rather than be a byword for political failure, could serve to demonstrate how different political parties, of greatly differing ideologies, can effectively work in government together.