Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

mat said:
Reports some tory MP's, enough to erode the conservative government majority threatened to move to UKIP should Leadsome win. This planned "revolt" probably be ignored in favor of more labour bashing.
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The Labour party don't exactly make it difficult for people to indulge in a bit of bashing do they? They're a complete fucking joke.
 
inbetween said:
If you ask me it is a matter of time before huge swathes of MP's begin to fall away to resign their whip and end up forming an entirely new party altogether. It is a great chance for the Lib Dems to regain their position but they have a clown in charge too. It would of been a great opportunity for Clegg if all this happened before the last election.
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Are you trying to argue Clegg isn"t a clown?

He is the sole reason why the lib dems sre fucked!
 
Now having watched Angela Eagles launch, she has no chance I am afraid of winning enough supporters from the corbyn side even the soft left ones.
The Labour party is on course for a split and McClusky summed it up perfectly in his speach below why, working members and union members will vote agaonst her.

"Let me ask Angela Eagle, who I regard as an old friend, but who resigned as shadow business secretary a question - did you give thirty seconds thought as to how this would help the workers at Tata, fighting for a future made still more uncertain by Brexit? And the oil and gas industry facing obliteration? Or have they been abandoned in their moment of need?

On the other hand, I have nothing but praise for those people who stayed in the Shadow Cabinet and those comrades who stepped forward, often unprepared, to fill the gaps in order to make sure that there was something like a functioning Labour frontbench able to hold the Tories to account. They are heroes of the movement and they too will not be forgotten.

Unite made its views clear from the start. We stood by Jeremy Corbyn and his anti-austerity message which is in line with our own union’s position. How could we not? Not only was he the democratically-elected leader of the party with an unprecedented mandate, here was a man who had always - ALWAYS - stood by us, stood on the picket lines, joined our campaigns, argued our case in parliament, advocated for workers’ rights.

He stood by us. What sort of people would we be, had we joined in the witch-hunt. Never mind that I could not have come to this conference, I could not have looked myself in the mirror, had this union done anything other than stand by Jeremy."
 
urban genie said:
Now having watched Angela Eagles launch, she has no chance I am afraid of winning enough supporters from the corbyn side even the soft left ones.
The Labour party is on course for a split and McClusky summed it up perfectly in his speach below why, working members and union members will vote agaonst her.

"Let me ask Angela Eagle, who I regard as an old friend, but who resigned as shadow business secretary a question - did you give thirty seconds thought as to how this would help the workers at Tata, fighting for a future made still more uncertain by Brexit? And the oil and gas industry facing obliteration? Or have they been abandoned in their moment of need?

On the other hand, I have nothing but praise for those people who stayed in the Shadow Cabinet and those comrades who stepped forward, often unprepared, to fill the gaps in order to make sure that there was something like a functioning Labour frontbench able to hold the Tories to account. They are heroes of the movement and they too will not be forgotten.

Unite made its views clear from the start. We stood by Jeremy Corbyn and his anti-austerity message which is in line with our own union’s position. How could we not? Not only was he the democratically-elected leader of the party with an unprecedented mandate, here was a man who had always - ALWAYS - stood by us, stood on the picket lines, joined our campaigns, argued our case in parliament, advocated for workers’ rights.

He stood by us. What sort of people would we be, had we joined in the witch-hunt. Never mind that I could not have come to this conference, I could not have looked myself in the mirror, had this union done anything other than stand by Jeremy."
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McClusky is a total tool and a true Union leader looking after himself before his members
 
Why do the Labour Party keep letting Diane Abbot speak on TV?
She has just had here arse ganded to her on a plate bhy a news reader
She must be the worst MP in Westmunster by a country mile
 
whp.blue said:
McClusky is a total tool and a true Union leader looking after himself before his members
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That may be but it doesn't take away the fact that a lot agree that eagles abandoned her post along with others when the time was for uniting and fighting the tories, and also that an mp that will stand side by side with you on a picket and rallies has a higher level or respect from members than those that show no inerest in workers struggles and shy away from being seen to support anything like that.
 
urban genie said:
That may be but it doesn't take away the fact that a lot agree that eagles abandoned her post along with others when the time was for uniting and fighting the tories, and also that an mp that will stand side by side with you on a picket and rallies has a higher level or respect from members than those that show no inerest in workers struggles and shy away from being seen to support anything like that.
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No pride should be taken by standing by the unelectable Corbyn as Labour getting dicked in the Next General Election will not help labour Party voters but the left Wing Ekement that are propping Corbyn up are too blind to see it let alone admit it.
All the cretins that were kicked out off Labour are now back in and have set the Labour Party on a path to oblivion see how that works out for the common man
 
whp.blue said:
No pride should be taken by standing by the unelectable Corbyn as Labour getting dicked in the Next General Election will not help labour Party voters but the left Wing Ekement that are propping Corbyn up are too blind to see it let alone admit it.
All the cretins that were kicked out off Labour are now back in and have set the Labour Party on a path to oblivion see how that works out for the common man
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It's not all old lefties backing Corbyn it's a lot of normal members fed up with the PLP not listening, as has been stated Some would accept if Corbyn stool aside to a more reasonable candidate on the soft left but not the likes of eagles who will not win over members. The biggest fuck up the PLP did was to not vote against the welfare bill, that was the momment the membership decided they were no longer working in their interests. if they had opposed it chances are Corbyn may not have been leader
 
whp.blue said:
No pride should be taken by standing by the unelectable Corbyn as Labour getting dicked in the Next General Election will not help labour Party voters but the left Wing Ekement that are propping Corbyn up are too blind to see it let alone admit it.
All the cretins that were kicked out off Labour are now back in and have set the Labour Party on a path to oblivion see how that works out for the common man
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Still to see any reasonable argument as to why Corbyn is "unelectable" unless by "unelectable" you mean that he is a man of principle that cannot be bought.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
For the same reason that Michael Foot was utterly unelectable.
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Well history could be repeating as he suffered from labour supporters lost votes when the PLP mard arses threw their toys out as well then and formed the SDP and also thatchers popularity bounce just befor the election.

and now the PLP is again throwing it's toys out and could split and if May comes up with a decent brexit stratergy will get a bounce snap election onve that happens.
 
law74 said:
Still to see any reasonable argument as to why Corbyn is "unelectable" unless by "unelectable" you mean that he is a man of principle that cannot be bought.
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Labour made no inroads into the SNP dominance in Scotland, without Scotland there cant be a Labour government. He showed to leadership in the Scottish elections or the referendum. He will not win over floating voters, throughout the UK,essential to winning an election. He has been shown the biggest open goal there can be with Tory splits over the last few months and has made no gains.
Appealing only to Labour grassroots, never has and never will win an election, just like it didnt in the eighties. Its not like there isnt history to learn from.
 
urban genie said:
Well history could be repeating as he suffered from labour supporters lost votes when the PLP mard arses threw their toys out as well then and formed the SDP and also thatchers popularity bounce just befor the election.
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Those two determinative factors did not occur in a vacuum. Foot's presence allowed both to happen.
 
blueparrot said:
Labour made no inroads into the SNP dominance in Scotland, without Scotland there cant be a Labour government. He showed to leadership in the Scottish elections or the referendum. He will not win over floating voters, throughout the UK,essential to winning an election. He has been shown the biggest open goal there can be with Tory splits over the last few months and has made no gains.
Appealing only to Labour grassroots, never has and never will win an election, just like it didnt in the eighties. Its not like there isnt history to learn from.
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Membership multiplied, made large I roads in the polls despite bickering and backstabbing from the PLP, won every mayoral election, increased the Labour share of the vote in by-elections, and the Scottish that I speak to say the problems with Scottish Labour is that it is still lead by the blairites, not the leader of the national party.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Those two determinative factors did not occur in a vacuum. Foot's presence allowed both to happen.
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the gang of 4 left mainly over the nuclear dissarmament policy and commitment to leave the EEC, of course foot was complicit, but instead of trying to argue the point they stormed off in a huff. That has always been Labours problem is they always start stropping when they disagree over something, and will never change, the right side in control pisses off the left and vice versa, the centerists are too few that they need one side or the other if they want to win, and after a while they all fall out again
 
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