Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[bluemoonmatt]

Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.

 

[urban genie]

Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.

I liked Dan Jarvis when I read about him then read some of his ideas, he isn't going to unite the party niether will Benn who I touted along with stella creasy as my choices as Leader when Ed went before anyone had put in. But now I woudn't vote for him. But unfortunately there really isn't a John Smith type there I could name to bring the party back into a peacefull co-existance.

Looks like Watsons gonna be leader for a bit, but I cannot see how they can form a new shaddow cabinet of the rebels and ones loyal to Corbyn. If they oust all the ones supporting him then they are still split

 

[philiph20]

Personally I'd like Dan Jarvis, he's young and charismatic, and his forces background would appeal to a great deal of the voters Labour has since alienated whilst not being too Blairite. Outside of that Hillary Benn or Keir Starmer would do. With the party in mass revolt, Corbyn simply cannot hang on, he's challenging someone to challenge him in a contest knowing that 38degrees lot in the labour membership would mobilise their vitriolic leftie mouths and he'd win again. He must resign for the party to move on from his abysmal leadership.

Very good points about Jarvis. I think people underestimate how patriotic and militarily friendly the traditional Labour working class is. I mean take a trip through these places and see all the flags of St George and contrast with 'leafy'', 'Bohemian' Chorlton. Having said that it's not all about flags. The coalition government during the Second World War was jam packed full of passionate left wing patriots, you had Major Dennis Healey hugely proud of his uniform and James Callaghan being close to tears and incredibly proud of being the PM of the country he loved not to mention his naval background.

I was reading an article a few days back with Labour remain candidates, they were canvassing in Walsall, Dudley and Doncaster I think and the general consensus with all three was that Corbyn was disliked and as a result huge negativity to Labour, they noted that the IRA and Corbyn's (to the people being canvassed) hatred of Britain was mentioned frequently. Now I don't know him so I've no idea if these accusations about hating Britain are true but it's food for thought.

 

[kas_tippler]

They'll have to section Corbyn to get rid of him.

 

[Pino]

You gotta love the last few days- it’s the most fun the people have had since we lopped off Charles I ‘s head.
The level of delusion being displayed by the political class and their sycophantic press and TV pundits had been as good as Faulty towers for comic value. The labour MP’s are trying to promote the removal of Corbyn and his replacement with one of the nobodies who were handed their arses by the electorate in 2015 as part of the Milliband team. The SNP want independence from Westminster but dependence on the EU in-spite of the fact that they have not refined the economic policies that failed the last time.

 

[urban genie]

Very good points about Jarvis. I think people underestimate how patriotic and militarily friendly the traditional Labour working class is. I mean take a trip through these places and see all the flags of St George and contrast with 'leafy'', 'Bohemian' Chorlton. Having said that it's not all about flags. The coalition government during the Second World War was jam packed full of passionate left wing patriots, you had Major Dennis Healey hugely proud of his uniform and James Callaghan being close to tears and incredibly proud of being the PM of the country he loved not to mention his naval background.

I was reading an article a few days back with Labour remain candidates, they were canvassing in Walsall, Dudley and Doncaster I think and the general consensus with all three was that Corbyn was disliked and as a result huge negativity to Labour, they noted that the IRA and Corbyn's (to the people being canvassed) hatred of Britain was mentioned frequently. Now I don't know him so I've no idea if these accusations about hating Britain are true but it's food for thought.

That just proves that the media campaign against him worked, but then he doesn't help himself with this not talking to certain journos or playing the game, made him an easy target.

Back onto Javis as I said he appealed to me, and his background will appeal to many, but he has said he isn't one for joining the coup, which is wise so as not to alienate the membership who will back corbyn, and in march he distanced himself from blairism. so maybe he can unite the party, but whatever shadow cabinet comes from that will need to recognise and represent all factions or the party will be forever in turmoil, Unity is needed and a person to do it just as John Smith did.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

That just proves that the media campaign against him worked, but then he doesn't help himself with this not talking to certain journos or playing the game, made him an easy target.

Back onto Javis as I said he appealed to me, and his background will appeal to many, but he has said he isn't one for joining the coup, which is wise so as not to alienate the membership who will back corbyn, and in march he distanced himself from blairism. so maybe he can unite the party, but whatever shadow cabinet comes from that will need to recognise and represent all factions or the party will be forever in turmoil, Unity is needed and a person to do it just as John Smith did.

First Corbyn has to resign then the executive commitee must ensure no one similar like that unspeakable div Abbot gets enough nominations. Once he's resigned then anyone can canvas. It's entirely natural that not one potential candidate has spoken of ambition at this stage as Corbyn would just say "right we'll put it to the membership" knowing that momentum mob (earlier I got the wrong group) would ensure his victory. We're reliant on his resignation, it might have to wait till conference cos he's showing no evidence of fucking off quietly, which speaks volumes about the excuse of a man that he is.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

angela eagle resigning can only be a good thing, she is awful

 

[city986]

Labour party is in terminal decline because the m p s arnt representing what there constitutes voted for simple answer deselect the mp and start with someone fresh

 

[Bluebee2]

Joke Labour MP's, the majority of them lost the Brexit vote in their own constituencies. Shithouse's are not in tune with the labour voters or Labour Party.