Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

[urmston]

Had Labour won the election last year Corbyn would not have become leader, and all the comfortable, middle class, suburban, public sector lefties who paid their £3 to elect him would be quite happy with the Tory-lite Miliband regime, just as they were perfectly happy with the Blair/Brown regime which threw money at them while abandoning the poor.

In an illogical fit of pique and disappointment these pretend socialists elected Corbyn, so making the election of such a moderate government totally impossible and ensuring years of Tory rule.

It is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Chancy Termites]

what biased coverage, in fact farage and nuttalls have been given tonnes of coverage the last 4 years, even when they were just a fringe group, regular spots on political shows, given air time to put their views across, and treated as though they were MP's, more coverage and media time than parties in similar positions like the greens never get. Yes they have had documentries on party members calling them cranks on C4, but everyone gets that done to them in dispatches or panorama.

They have rightly been called out when they have a member come out with some biggotted comment and rightly so, But Nige has has a great ammount of decent amd possitive tv time given to him.

You must have forgotten all about those leaders' debates before the last election.

 

[urban genie]

You must have forgotten all about those leaders' debates before the last election.

Where when he was unscripted and not prepared like his photo ops and interviews farage was shown to be a bit bobbins at debate and came out sounding like a dick.

 

[Len Rum]

Did any of posters on here who are now complaining about biased press coverage of Corbyn also complain about biased press coverage of Ukip before the last general election?

Is that what they call a straw man argument?

 

[Chancy Termites]

Is that what they call a straw man argument?

If you're not prepared to stand up for fair treatment of people with whom you disagree, it shouldn't come as any surprise when you suffer unfair treatment yourself.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There was a time that Labour could just about accomodate the differences between the left and right wings of the party but that ended after Thatcher moved the centre of politics so far right that a split eventually became inevitable. Kinnock delayed it temporarily and laid the ground for Blair/Brown but that was, in hindsight, just a temporary situation. So probably the best thing that can happen to Labour is that Corbyn wins resoundingly ending the argument for good.

It increasingly looks to me like the Momentum faction, much like Militant in the 1980's, are more interested in gaining power within the party than within the country. Let them have it and put their pure socialist manifesto to the test, idealism unencumbered by pragmatism without having to appeal to the so-called centre. Then the members and MP's who don't agree should form their own centre-left party which could pitch to the wider electorate (and which could finish off the Lib-Demics).

Of course the Corbyn party will probably get hammered as a few hundred members do not accurately represent a 50,000 strong constituency although they'll never accept it was their policies having little appeal to that wider electorate that was the problem but will blame the media and the Blairites for splitting the vote when they lose but at least they'll have what they want.

 

[Len Rum]

Had Labour won the election last year Corbyn would not have become leader, and all the comfortable, middle class, suburban, public sector lefties who paid their £3 to elect him would be quite happy with the Tory-lite Miliband regime, just as they were perfectly happy with the Blair/Brown regime which threw money at them while abandoning the poor.

In an illogical fit of pique and disappointment these pretend socialists elected Corbyn, so making the election of such a moderate government totally impossible and ensuring years of Tory rule.

It is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Slightly strange analysis Urmston as I thought Blair/ Brown were accused of increasing welfare payments rather than throwing money at the "comfortable,middle class,suburban,public sector lefties"!
It is a pity Red Ed didn't win it though- nice Tory lite policies, still in the EU, big business and the City happy, no economic uncertainty. Happy days.

 

[Len Rum]

Did any of posters on here who are now complaining about biased press coverage of Corbyn also complain about biased press coverage of Ukip before the last general election?

Does that mean I can't complain about the biased press coverage of Corbyn if I didn't complain about the biased press coverage of the Tories at the last general election?

 

[Chancy Termites]

Does that mean I can't complain about the biased press coverage of Corbyn if I didn't complain about the biased press coverage of the Tories at the last general election?

Yes

 

[cookster]

There was a time that Labour could just about accomodate the differences between the left and right wings of the party but that ended after Thatcher moved the centre of politics so far right that a split eventually became inevitable. Kinnock delayed it temporarily and laid the ground for Blair/Brown but that was, in hindsight, just a temporary situation. So probably the best thing that can happen to Labour is that Corbyn wins resoundingly ending the argument for good.

It increasingly looks to me like the Momentum faction, much like Militant in the 1980's, are more interested in gaining power within the party than within the country. Let them have it and put their pure socialist manifesto to the test, idealism unencumbered by pragmatism without having to appeal to the so-called centre. Then the members and MP's who don't agree should form their own centre-left party which could pitch to the wider electorate (and which could finish off the Lib-Demics).

Of course the Corbyn party will probably get hammered as a few hundred members do not accurately represent a 50,000 strong constituency although they'll never accept it was their policies having little appeal to that wider electorate that was the problem but will blame the media and the Blairites for splitting the vote when they lose but at least they'll have what they want.

An excellent summary!