Lady? Thatcher (state funeral)

[Newlunar]

The day that woman dies will be a sad day indeed, she needs her torso ripping open with horses and chains, whilst she's still alive. She destroyed this country and the whole working class.

I'd happily kill her. Happily.

I suppose it must have been tough going in your dad's bag, comrade.

 

[robspankthemonkey]

State holiday in memory of the good lady when she passes away!

 

[masterwig]

What are the criteria for a state funeral?

I assume key members of the Royal Family get them.

 

[mackenzie]

Sometimes you need to take your own experiences out of the equation imho.

Part of my family suffered because of her actions (the need to do three or four jobs to make ends meet). The rest did very well (mainly the younger end who bought into the Upwardly Mobile bit) after the event, when the economy was booming and all was good and rosey and to have the oneupmanship was the essence of life.

Maybe we should all just step back and look at what she signifies to the Nation as a whole, not just how we benefited or not as the case may be.

And that is where she falls down imho. It is a STATE Funeral. Please tell me how such a figure, who divides opinions SO much, warrants the NATION honouring her in such a way?

It's a slap in the face for many and will only open up old wounds that are very deep. And very recent.

I just find it fundamentally wrong that she should have this. And I am disappointed that she agreed. It says to me that she learned nothing and will never understand that a bit of mellowness and humility in her last days would have been so much more appreciated.

 

[jay66uk]

Dear oh dear.

Some of the people on here spouting bile about Margaret Thatcher, weren't even born when she came to power so their opinion doesn't count.
Some of the people on here spouting bile are expats and turned their back on their country for a 'better life' elsewhere so their opinion doesn't count (and neither does their oft abused right to jump on a plane back to blighty for free medical treatment when the mood takes them) in my opinion.

I was 16 in 1984 right slap bang in the middle of the miner's strike. I was shortchanged by this country, the education system was a mere matter of routine, a formality that you went through. There were no apprenticeships, just £25 per week YTS. However, I was never out of work under Thatcher, I just got out and got a job and then a better one eventually. I was a member of the TGWU and I don't remember anyone having any major gripes about Thatcher at the time. I wasn't a product of the utter myth that "greed is good". THAT is FAR FAR more apparent in our present society after ten years of labour.
I remember pre Thatcher Labour "run" Britain, three day weeks, my dad shitting it over the spectre of redundancy. Winter nights without electricity due to endless power cuts, unburied dead on the news, bins overflowing.

We are all influenced by our own personal experiences, mine of the eighties were good, I've no complaints. If you were a miner or a dockyard worker then fair enough, you've every right to feel bitter-although it's fair to say that the coal and shipping industry were heavily subsidised and frankly outmoded and unneeded. Why build ships or dig up coal no one wants to buy?
As for the Falklands, I've been down there, and believe it or not, there are things down there called people, and those people wanted to remain British subjects and we as a nation were absolutely obliged to defend their wish to remain British subjects-just like some of you ungrateful sods would be screaming to be defended if your way of life was threatened, so fuck right off with that 'we took it back to keep Maggie in power' myth. Our motives for sending a task force to the Falklands were far more clear and morally justified than the conflicts we are presently subjecting our troops to, and so was the end objective.

I'm sure some of you will disagree with me vociferously, if you were affected in a bad way by that government then fair enough I respect your opinion. However, if you are just one of the many people who feel that it's just 'Right on' to hate Thatcher purely because it makes you a good comrade socialist (and I suspect there are a few on this forum) then you really need to get out more.

Heath (conservative) had just as many problems with unions and it was he who put the country on the 3-day week during the early 70s oil crisis.

The Falklands invasion happened because UK decided to redeploy the survey ships tasked with maintaining a presence in the area and the (desperate for something that their public would like) Argentine "government" took it as a signal that UK would not defend such a distant, "valueless" outpost.

I have no socialist axe to grind - I hate labour (especially New) and conservative cynical politicking as much as each other.

Maggie's economics was fundamentally flawed and her social engineering was, for me, merely a humane version of that undertaken by the likes of Mussolini and Pinochet.

 

[Newlunar]

The Falklands invasion happened because UK decided to redeploy the survey ships tasked with maintaining a presence in the area and the (desperate for something that their public would like) Argentine "government" took it as a signal that UK would not defend such a distant, "valueless" outpost.

And they got it spectacularly wrong, and the task force went down there to restore the Islands to how the Kelpers wanted it.

The present government's economics don't appear to be a bed of roses at the moment.

 

[mackenzie]

The Falklands invasion happened because UK decided to redeploy the survey ships tasked with maintaining a presence in the area and the (desperate for something that their public would like) Argentine "government" took it as a signal that UK would not defend such a distant, "valueless" outpost.

And they got it spectacularly wrong, and the task force went down there to restore the Islands to how the Kelpers wanted it.

The present government's economics don't appear to be a bed of roses at the moment.

Maggie was so much up the USA's arse she would have done exactly the same as Blair did. This is the woman who let the UK be used as a parking lot for nuclear weapons for the USA.

And Blair loved Maggie, let's not forget that.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

She is an evil old **** and I for one cant wait for her to die like her good mate Pinochet.

 

[mat]

Maggie's economics was fundamentally flawed and her social engineering was, for me, merely a humane version of that undertaken by the likes of Mussolini and Pinochet.

Couldn't have put it better myself. People blame Labour for the anti-social behaviour, but that has to bread over a generation. The tories started that - All hail the milk snatcher!

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Maggie's economics was fundamentally flawed and her social engineering was, for me, merely a humane version of that undertaken by the likes of Mussolini and Pinochet.

Couldn't have put it better myself. People blame Labour for the anti-social behaviour, but that has to bread over a generation. The tories started that - All hail the milk snatcher!

Every problem we face in modern Britain is down to Thatcher. She ripped this country apart for 20 years or so. How anyone can defend her is beyond me.