frankstonblue said:I wasn't born during world war two .....but I still have an opinion about Hitler.
Newlunar...do you have opinions about things before you where born ?
FOOKIN ELL!!!!!!! they didn't mention i said get the cremation going with the london olympic torch surely?????????eeeeeeeekkkkkkkrobspankthemonkey said:Any one listen to the debate this morning about this topic on Talksport??
Newlunar said:Dear oh dear.
Some of the people on here spouting bile about Margaret Thatcher, weren't even born when she came to power so their opinion doesn't count.
Some of the people on here spouting bile are expats and turned their back on their country for a 'better life' elsewhere so their opinion doesn't count (and neither does their oft abused right to jump on a plane back to blighty for free medical treatment when the mood takes them) in my opinion.
I was 16 in 1984 right slap bang in the middle of the miner's strike. I was shortchanged by this country, the education system was a mere matter of routine, a formality that you went through. There were no apprenticeships, just £25 per week YTS. However, I was never out of work under Thatcher, I just got out and got a job and then a better one eventually. I was a member of the TGWU and I don't remember anyone having any major gripes about Thatcher at the time. I wasn't a product of the utter myth that "greed is good". THAT is FAR FAR more apparent in our present society after ten years of labour.
I remember pre Thatcher Labour "run" Britain, three day weeks, my dad shitting it over the spectre of redundancy. Winter nights without electricity due to endless power cuts, unburied dead on the news, bins overflowing.
We are all influenced by our own personal experiences, mine of the eighties were good, I've no complaints. If you were a miner or a dockyard worker then fair enough, you've every right to feel bitter-although it's fair to say that the coal and shipping industry were heavily subsidised and frankly outmoded and unneeded. Why build ships or dig up coal no one wants to buy?
As for the Falklands, I've been down there, and believe it or not, there are things down there called people, and those people wanted to remain British subjects and we as a nation were absolutely obliged to defend their wish to remain British subjects-just like some of you ungrateful sods would be screaming to be defended if your way of life was threatened, so fuck right off with that 'we took it back to keep Maggie in power' myth. Our motives for sending a task force to the Falklands were far more clear and morally justified than the conflicts we are presently subjecting our troops to, and so was the end objective.
I'm sure some of you will disagree with me vociferously, if you were affected in a bad way by that government then fair enough I respect your opinion. However, if you are just one of the many people who feel that it's just 'Right on' to hate Thatcher purely because it makes you a good comrade socialist (and I suspect there are a few on this forum) then you really need to get out more.
Newlunar said:Dear oh dear.
Some of the people on here spouting bile about Margaret Thatcher, weren't even born when she came to power so their opinion doesn't count.
Some of the people on here spouting bile are expats and turned their back on their country for a 'better life' elsewhere so their opinion doesn't count (and neither does their oft abused right to jump on a plane back to blighty for free medical treatment when the mood takes them) in my opinion.
I was 16 in 1984 right slap bang in the middle of the miner's strike. I was shortchanged by this country, the education system was a mere matter of routine, a formality that you went through. There were no apprenticeships, just £25 per week YTS. However, I was never out of work under Thatcher, I just got out and got a job and then a better one eventually. I was a member of the TGWU and I don't remember anyone having any major gripes about Thatcher at the time. I wasn't a product of the utter myth that "greed is good". THAT is FAR FAR more apparent in our present society after ten years of labour.
I remember pre Thatcher Labour "run" Britain, three day weeks, my dad shitting it over the spectre of redundancy. Winter nights without electricity due to endless power cuts, unburied dead on the news, bins overflowing.
We are all influenced by our own personal experiences, mine of the eighties were good, I've no complaints. If you were a miner or a dockyard worker then fair enough, you've every right to feel bitter-although it's fair to say that the coal and shipping industry were heavily subsidised and frankly outmoded and unneeded. Why build ships or dig up coal no one wants to buy?
As for the Falklands, I've been down there, and believe it or not, there are things down there called people, and those people wanted to remain British subjects and we as a nation were absolutely obliged to defend their wish to remain British subjects-just like some of you ungrateful sods would be screaming to be defended if your way of life was threatened, so fuck right off with that 'we took it back to keep Maggie in power' myth. Our motives for sending a task force to the Falklands were far more clear and morally justified than the conflicts we are presently subjecting our troops to, and so was the end objective.
I'm sure some of you will disagree with me vociferously, if you were affected in a bad way by that government then fair enough I respect your opinion. However, if you are just one of the many people who feel that it's just 'Right on' to hate Thatcher purely because it makes you a good comrade socialist (and I suspect there are a few on this forum) then you really need to get out more.
stonerblue said:Newlunar said:Dear oh dear.
Some of the people on here spouting bile about Margaret Thatcher, weren't even born when she came to power so their opinion doesn't count.
Some of the people on here spouting bile are expats and turned their back on their country for a 'better life' elsewhere so their opinion doesn't count (and neither does their oft abused right to jump on a plane back to blighty for free medical treatment when the mood takes them) in my opinion.
I was 16 in 1984 right slap bang in the middle of the miner's strike. I was shortchanged by this country, the education system was a mere matter of routine, a formality that you went through. There were no apprenticeships, just £25 per week YTS. However, I was never out of work under Thatcher, I just got out and got a job and then a better one eventually. I was a member of the TGWU and I don't remember anyone having any major gripes about Thatcher at the time. I wasn't a product of the utter myth that "greed is good". THAT is FAR FAR more apparent in our present society after ten years of labour.
I remember pre Thatcher Labour "run" Britain, three day weeks, my dad shitting it over the spectre of redundancy. Winter nights without electricity due to endless power cuts, unburied dead on the news, bins overflowing.
We are all influenced by our own personal experiences, mine of the eighties were good, I've no complaints. If you were a miner or a dockyard worker then fair enough, you've every right to feel bitter-although it's fair to say that the coal and shipping industry were heavily subsidised and frankly outmoded and unneeded. Why build ships or dig up coal no one wants to buy?
As for the Falklands, I've been down there, and believe it or not, there are things down there called people, and those people wanted to remain British subjects and we as a nation were absolutely obliged to defend their wish to remain British subjects-just like some of you ungrateful sods would be screaming to be defended if your way of life was threatened, so fuck right off with that 'we took it back to keep Maggie in power' myth. Our motives for sending a task force to the Falklands were far more clear and morally justified than the conflicts we are presently subjecting our troops to, and so was the end objective.
I'm sure some of you will disagree with me vociferously, if you were affected in a bad way by that government then fair enough I respect your opinion. However, if you are just one of the many people who feel that it's just 'Right on' to hate Thatcher purely because it makes you a good comrade socialist (and I suspect there are a few on this forum) then you really need to get out more.
that's an interesting post NL but because of my experience of the time (i was 16 in '80) i have a different perspective on the witch.
Thatcher and her policies meant there was nothing North of Watford for school leavers. The only 'career advice' i got was to join the army. My mum and dad had both been made redundant (no pay-off either), none of my friends had jobs and the government was telling us to 'get on our bikes' to find work.
There were at least 4 million on the dole and many people turned to crime to make ends meet. Affordable housing was sold off under the 'right to buy' scheme and many were left trapped in poverty with no hope or chance of ever getting out of it. The result of these policies can be felt today.
National industries were sold off to the highest bidder and the 'i'm alright jack so fuck you' attitude prevailed. A very small number of people made a very large amount of money from the misery of others (generally the working classes)
In my humble opinion thatcher should be left to rot on a pole at the side of the M1. Spending £3m of taxpayer money on a state funeral for the hag is disgraceful and insulting to those of us who were fucked over by her.