You talking about the programme or this forum? When you get people comparing immigration to grey squirrels wiping out red squirrels it becomes difficult to tell.
What a bizarre programme. Firstly, isn't the old east end around Whitechapel, Bethnall Green, Stepney and that general area and Newham is plain old east London? It was the first thing you notice around the theme of the producers trying to romanticise the old white community.
Secondly, as has been previously mentioned, white families have always moved east, as far back as the 20's when they went to work in ford in Dagenham, post war re-settlement and the white flight when the docks were mostly closed around the late 60's/70's. This is not a new phenomenon.
Mass immigration has always been welcomed by both the right and left albeit for different reasons, I hate prejudice against immigrants, they're just trying to better themselves and their families. East London has always been a first port of call for many immigrant group going back to French Huguenots, Jews and Irish before the non-white groups, who obviously don't assimilate as easily by the second generation, moved in.
Whether you like it or not this country needs high levels of immigration for the foreseeable future. Birth rates struggle to keep up with death rates over the whole population and I suspect the gap is even wider among the white British population. Without sizeable immigration Britain will become a country with a huge imbalance of over 65s with all the dire economic and social consequences that would entail.London's a shithole thanks to the labour party and its open door immigration for 13 years.Hope never to see labour in power again.
Really there needs to be a new forum
off Topic and another separate forum for anti immigration threads seeing as they make up half of blue moons non football topics
Could have anti Islam, anti immigrant, anti European threads, possibly a pinned thread for each other European nation .
Makes sense as it definitely works splitting City and the other football topics.
It would make things easier as it gets pretty intellectually challenging weaving anti immigration sentiment into threads that seemingly have nothing to do with it.
Must be heartening to blues all over the world especially new fans to know how much we hate everyone
Divide, Rule, Conquer.
How many Asian descendants are in the houses of Parliament?
Not many I can think of... But go around particular areas of the country and you'll be surprised to think that middleaged fat white men from privileged backgrounds actually control these people.
Fear is the biggest factor in this for the white British, but it's deluded to think Sharia law will be implemented sometime soon in this country.
Muslim Prime Minister? You're having a laugh... Unless he's a shill and will be in the back pocket of white owned big business.
I'm fully aware that when I said Asian, I'm being very broad in using the term as it could mean anybody from a Thai person to an Afghan, and of course religion has nothing to do with Race, unless you make it related.'Divide, Rule, Conquer' - the Tories tried this in the Mayoral election and it failed dismally. London elected a Muslim, son of a Pakistani bus-driver. I don't think his religion mattered to the vast majority of people voting. I would hope that the rest of the country is sufficiently enlightened that they are capable of seeing beyond someone's religion and voting for who they believe in. Priti Patel (I am guessing she is of Indian descent and therefore probably Hindu rather than Muslim) was elected in a very white constituency. Its a real shame that so much debate in Britain is reduced to people's race or EU immigration.
As a general point we seem to use 'Asians' as a very generic term. In my area of north London there are hundreds of thousands of 'Asians' that are well-off, live in good housing, are integrated into UK culture but retain their own identity, they speak perfect English as well as whatever their own language is. They, however, are of Indian descent and have been in the UK longer and have had time to become educated and allowed to prosper here. Likewise in parts of NW London (say Kingsbury or Wembley) or the whole borough of Brent there are larger more established Asian muslim communities and they also thrive. There's another large muslim community in London that also integrates but retains its own identity, as per wiki there are 350,000 Turks in London. Its too simplistic to talk about 'Asians' or 'muslims'.
It seems to me that the better educated immigrants are, the more opportunities they have to work and earn money, the more likely they are to become integrated. Migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as Africa are more likely to come from a poor and backward community. People from East London have always moved outwards when they have had the opportunity, the gaps are bound to be filled with recent migrants to the city, and always have done.
Sounds like a Ponzi scheme.Whether you like it or not this country needs high levels of immigration for the foreseeable future. Birth rates struggle to keep up with death rates over the whole population and I suspect the gap is even wider among the white British population. Without sizeable immigration Britain will become a country with a huge imbalance of over 65s with all the dire economic and social consequences that would entail.
I'm fully aware that when I said Asian, I'm being very broad in using the term as it could mean anybody from a Thai person to an Afghan, and of course religion has nothing to do with Race, unless you make it related.
End of the day we're all immigrants and times change. Everything changes.
Example being the old timer blokes from the east end making comments about Pubs closing down and how Muslims don't drink...
Well for a start he hasn't been on a piss up then with some Muslim lads I know, they can drink... And many of my white friends who I grew up with hate going in pubs, their parents went in pubs so they hung around at skate parks smoking weed.
I'm fully aware that when I said Asian, I'm being very broad in using the term as it could mean anybody from a Thai person to an Afghan, and of course religion has nothing to do with Race, unless you make it related.'Divide, Rule, Conquer' - the Tories tried this in the Mayoral election and it failed dismally. London elected a Muslim, son of a Pakistani bus-driver. I don't think his religion mattered to the vast majority of people voting. I would hope that the rest of the country is sufficiently enlightened that they are capable of seeing beyond someone's religion and voting for who they believe in. Priti Patel (I am guessing she is of Indian descent and therefore probably Hindu rather than Muslim) was elected in a very white constituency. Its a real shame that so much debate in Britain is reduced to people's race or EU immigration.
As a general point we seem to use 'Asians' as a very generic term. In my area of north London there are hundreds of thousands of 'Asians' that are well-off, live in good housing, are integrated into UK culture but retain their own identity, they speak perfect English as well as whatever their own language is. They, however, are of Indian descent and have been in the UK longer and have had time to become educated and allowed to prosper here. Likewise in parts of NW London (say Kingsbury or Wembley) or the whole borough of Brent there are larger more established Asian muslim communities and they also thrive. There's another large muslim community in London that also integrates but retains its own identity, as per wiki there are 350,000 Turks in London. Its too simplistic to talk about 'Asians' or 'muslims'.
It seems to me that the better educated immigrants are, the more opportunities they have to work and earn money, the more likely they are to become integrated. Migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as Africa are more likely to come from a poor and backward community. People from East London have always moved outwards when they have had the opportunity, the gaps are bound to be filled with recent migrants to the city, and always have done.
I'm fully aware that when I said Asian, I'm being very broad in using the term as it could mean anybody from a Thai person to an Afghan, and of course religion has nothing to do with Race, unless you make it related.
End of the day we're all immigrants and times change. Everything changes.
Example being the old timer blokes from the east end making comments about Pubs closing down and how Muslims don't drink...
Well for a start he hasn't been on a piss up then with some Muslim lads I know, they can drink... And many of my white friends who I grew up with hate going in pubs, their parents went in pubs so they hung around at skate parks smoking weed.
Whether you like it or not this country needs high levels of immigration for the foreseeable future. Birth rates struggle to keep up with death rates over the whole population and I suspect the gap is even wider among the white British population. Without sizeable immigration Britain will become a country with a huge imbalance of over 65s with all the dire economic and social consequences that would entail.
When did I say it was wrong?What's wrong with playing darts in a boozer?
I believe you will find this ghettoisation is mirrored in other cities and countries; France and Belgium, for example. A Swedish guy was telling me this week that it's even going on there. When the phenomenon is fuelled by something both as binding and toxic as a religion, and propelled by frightening numbers, it's a recipe for problems.I'm all for freedom of speech but... Daily Mail readers should come with a bloody warning!
It's ok to be worried about the loss of true English culture they wouldn't call that racist anywhere else because it's not! Diversity is good but when you get whole towns(unless it's just one on it's own thats sanctioned like a China Town etc) taken over by one set of people especially by a none native speaking one that makes zero effort to learn our culture or value it then that's not what it is at all. In other places in the world this is a strict requirement(they simply wouldn't tolerate half the stuff we do), we seem to have too many wussies that want to pipe up and call people racists because they are miserable and hiding behind their PC badge makes them feel powerful to their peers. The fact is this is happening in lots of places in the country and it's ok to be saddened by it, how to deal with it or stopping it happen is another matter.
It's a shame they didn't show the other side of the coin, asking the old Essex community what they think about being swamped by loudmouth, racist Cockneys.
He was pointing out a very real problem, I know plenty of lovely Welsh speaking villages being ruined by loud mouthed English coming in and buying places up and not assimilating at all happens in Spain as well . It's been happening in the CelticYou make some valid points. However, the point of the programme was to portray a very real issue, not to ask viewers to like all the protagonists.
Luckily, most of our politicians don't live in such areas (or in Rayleigh or Hornchurch which receives the displaced cockneys) so it doesn't matter to them.
So let's crucify Italians, gas Germans, cut the balls off Ethopians and torture the Spanish while we are at it, eh?He was pointing out a very real problem, I know plenty of lovely Welsh speaking villages being ruined by loud mouthed English coming in and buying places up and not assimilating at all happens in Spain as well . It's been happening in the Celtic
Fringes for years and was it not the main raisom d'etre for Irish republicanism.
It is very interesting to see a people whose whole wealth and whole nation was built on sending their culture out to the world and forcing language, laws, education and religion on to people suddenly crying foul when a little bit of their own medicine comes back!
I mean the English wouldn't dream of going to another country, foisting English on them, exporting Christianity, pushing our laws down etc would we?
Imagine the native Americans, aboriginals , Inuits , Maori etc got to repatriate the tena of millions of people who stole their countries back to the UK - that would be mass migration .....