Le Tour 2018

Gaudion M said:
This is way off the mark. Leaders of the GT racers are tested every day. So Froome has been tested pretty much every day of racing for his last 3 big tours and 4 TDFs and far more than any other rider. The issue with salbutamol was ultimately dropped however the fact he was being investigated was leaked. Any other rider could have faced the same issue and we wouldn't know and there may be many in the TDF peloton in that position. So there is very little basis to the idea that Sky are getting away with things that others aren't - if anything they are facing the highest level of scrutiny and there are clearly elements within pro cycling working against them. I can back that up by the attempts of the TDF organizers trying to pressure him not to ride even though he had every right to and the fact the tour peloton is full of riders who have far worse on their records who ride without question and others in the past who have ridden the TDF with investigations for far worse hanging over them again without question.
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As history has shown us only too clearly, riders being tested is no safe indicator of being "clean". All of the following won the Tour without failing a test during the race, but who later admitted being charged to the max or failed post-tour test:

Jan Ullrich
Bjarne Riis
Lance Armstrong
Floyd Llandis
Alberto Contador

I make no claims to the "cleanliness" or otherwise of Froome et al, but I wouldn't put any faith in the fact they've never failed a test. Sadly, it's been shown to mean very little.
 
johnnytapia said:
As history has shown us only too clearly, riders being tested is no safe indicator of being "clean". All of the following won the Tour without failing a test during the race, but who later admitted being charged to the max or failed post-tour test:

Jan Ullrich
Bjarne Riis
Lance Armstrong
Floyd Llandis
Alberto Contador

I make no claims to the "cleanliness" or otherwise of Froome et al, but I wouldn't put any faith in the fact they've never failed a test. Sadly, it's been shown to mean very little.
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All true but I would point out they were all caught in the end. Drug testing has moved on and the kind of "cheating" that people are discussing now is around prescription drugs - there is a big difference to overusing an asthma inhaler and having your whole team taking blood infusions and EPO between stages.
 
Gaudion M said:
All true but I would point out they were all caught in the end. Drug testing has moved on and the kind of "cheating" that people are discussing now is around prescription drugs - there is a big difference to overusing an asthma inhaler and having your whole team taking blood infusions and EPO between stages.
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That's the point I was making! Caught out in the end, not whilst they were racing. Drug testing has moved on, but the drugs move faster. There's always something new being cooked, brewed, mixed, ready to be taken, ready to push the athlete that bit faster, that bit longer, gene therapy being one of them. I hope Sky are riding clean. But it wouldn't surprise me one iota if we later discovered malpractice, hence I now watch the Tour through the prism of past experience. And that tells me cycling has always been rife with doping. But, to repeat, I'm not making any claims about any rider in this tour.
 
Regarding drugs or cheating in the end when all is done it will come out everything does. Honestly think in cycling get rid of everything. No sign of drugs be it TUEs or prescribed drugs be as 100 per cent clean as possible is the only way forward that aint going to happen i know in a million years it wont. Sure the way its always been is the drugs are too far ahead of the tests its a joke.

Every sports person should be clean. There are millions of young fans watching every sport you would hope that most are clean but its likely there will be plenty high profile sports people cheating. I am certain within a few years there be a book out by Wiggins when he is short of cash in a tell all on Sky to blow it all up into pieces. Sure time will tell.
 
I was on my holidays and saw G win that mountain stage and take yellow. 2 hours later I learned Sam retired from rugby. Seen every stage since, G can become a Welsh legend bigger than Prince Barry.
Fair play to Froom at one stage he looked f**ked but came back to help out.
Is 2 minutes 5 enough ? I hope so G has given so much over the years for the Sky Team.
If tomorrow goes well I might take the Dragon out later ( not the wife ) I have a f**king big Welsh flag, fingers crossed for G.
 
Exciting race today. The way that new young Sky rider brought Froome back into the race was unbelievable. Well played G, loved the way he sprinted away at the finish. If G holds it together tomorrow we will have another British Tour winner. And well deserved.
 
I watched Thomas win the Dauphine a few weeks ago. He was brilliant cancelling out any attacks and nobody could cope when he went himself.
Hope he wins my only regret is not backing him at the bookies.
 
leighton said:
Regarding drugs or cheating in the end when all is done it will come out everything does. Honestly think in cycling get rid of everything. No sign of drugs be it TUEs or prescribed drugs be as 100 per cent clean as possible is the only way forward that aint going to happen i know in a million years it wont. Sure the way its always been is the drugs are too far ahead of the tests its a joke.

Every sports person should be clean. There are millions of young fans watching every sport you would hope that most are clean but its likely there will be plenty high profile sports people cheating. I am certain within a few years there be a book out by Wiggins when he is short of cash in a tell all on Sky to blow it all up into pieces. Sure time will tell.
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Leighton, you are massive boxing aficionado and when I dip into the boxing thread I take your opinion seriously, you seem to know your onions so to speak and you love the sport, but that sport is riddled with performance enhancing tricksters amongst other dubious character traits but you never show the same ire as you do to cyclists and especially Sky, I am not a blind follower of Team Sky but I am a half competent 51 year old hacker, I ride regularly on one of the training climbs in Majorca, I ride it sometimes with a hangover sometimes not, I have ridden it full on maybe 3 times but I have no training plan, no dietary input in fact no nothing and I can get within 15 mins of a 25 year old pro team rider in peak health on a 7 mile climb, I reackon if I cycled anywhere near enough and was trained half competently I could cut time off my PB dramatically,.

I think what I am trying to say is that techniques in training, diet and basically not having to worry a stitch about a thing apart from training and racing a bike counts a lot for the way Sky perform and not masses of PEDs, there are too many cyclists who have passed through the Sky team who haven’t been successful with them maybe to have an axe to grind but none have a blown a whistle.

Oh and Wiggins will not be wanting for money any time soon I would think.
 
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