Left-wing anarchist guilty of terror offences

[Vic]

It's embarrassing how we've started from a "left wing extremist" who wasn't and ended with anti-Muslim rants.

 

[meltonblue]

That is bang on mate, yet again we have a thread where some people are trying to say that they don't exist or that there are only so many thousand of them.

Quite frankly it's embarrassing to read.

I don’t think anyone thinks they don’t exist or that there aren’t thousands of them, you’d have had to have lived under a rock for a decade to have missed the entire Islamic State for a start.

It’s more that there’s not thousands here and their influence on our domestic politics is non existent.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

it is impossible to be an anarchist and to be left-wing at the same time.
the whole point of anarchism is that it is apolitical.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

and any true anarchist has to, by definition, be a pacifist.
people who use violence as a means to an end are not anarchists.

 

[mackenzie]

and any true anarchist has to, by definition, be a pacifist.
people who use violence as a means to an end are not anarchists.

That's very interesting.
IMHO I don't think it's as straightforward as that. I think it's muti faceted and human nature rarely fits neatly into just one box.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

That's very interesting.
IMHO I don't think it's as straightforward as that. I think it's muti faceted and human nature rarely fits neatly into just one box.

i understand what you are saying,
but state control uses violence.
if, as an anarchist, you reject state control
then you must also reject violence.

that's how i see it, anyway.

 

[mackenzie]

i understand what you are saying,
but state control uses violence.
if, as an anarchist, you reject state control
then you must also reject violence.

that's how i see it, anyway.

I think it is much more muddled. Human nature, in some cases, dictates that the end justifies the means. Be they right wing or left wing.
The one thing they do have in common is extremism.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

I think it is much more muddled. Human nature, in some cases, dictates that the means justify the ends. Be they right wing or left wing.
The one thing they do have in common is extremism.

agreed. extremism. indeed.
but anarchists aren't extreme.

as rimbaud once penned...

"pogo on a nazi, spit upon a jew.
vicious mindless violence that offers nothing new.
left wing violence, right wing violence, all seems much the same.
bully boys out fighting, it's just the same old game.
boring fucking politics, they''ll get us all shot.
left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot.
keep your petty prejudice, i don't see the point.
anarchy and freedom is what i want."

 

[mackenzie]

agreed. extremism. indeed.
but anarchists aren't extreme.

as penny rimbaud once penned...

"pogo on a nazi, spit upon a jew.
vicious mindless violence that offers nothing new.
left wing violence, right wing violence, all seems much the same.
bully boys out fighting, it's just the same old game.
boring fucking politics, they''ll get us all shot.
left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot.
keep your petty prejudice, i don't see the point.
anarchy and freedom is what i want."

I think the definition of anarchy to include non violence is all well and good. I'm just saying that it doesn't always pan out like that

 

[Blue and true]

Of course there are Islamic extremists here. We have coined the useful term 'Islamists' to cover them.

But not all Muslims are Islamists, any more than all Christians are members of the IRA or Nazis.

It's important not to conflate the two terms. Or to exaggerate the influence wielded by real Islamists.

Pretty much this. Extremism is abhorrent in all guises (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) and needs eradicating. That's not the issue with the Anderson story. The issue is that he and Braverman stated, unequivocally, that Islamists have taken control of our country. This is an outrageous statement that can't be substantiated in any way. I've been to London on several occasions over the past few months, and have seen no evidence of this. Politicians are manipulative cunts; they know it can't be substantiated, but they chose to say it anyway. All it serves to do is stoke the fire of Islamophobia; like I said, it's easy bait for the dim witted in this country to associate radical Islamism with Muslims as a whole. In the same way the dim witted will associate moderate Judaism with Zionism.

It's dangerous rhetoric from Anderson and Braverman, but given they're Tories and desperately need to secure votes for the GE, it's no surprise they went down this route.