Leroy Sané

[Colin Bells Boots]

I don't understand these statements that a player should cost no more than X. There are no rules for how much a player is worth, the price is exactly what somebody is willing to pay, that can be between 0 and unlimited, and that is exactly what the player is worth at the time of the deal. This follows no logic, no rules and no comparisons. The discussions on here only reflect the limits of the individual contributors, and these are with a due respect completely arbitrary.

Far too sensible a post for this forum - it will never catch on.

 

[St.Pauli support]

I know and by caving in to it we are just worsening the problem for ourselves in the long run. Everytime we or another big club hugely over pays, the barometer changes and a 30m player is suddenly worth double that.

Yeah crazy. But don't worry mate, unlimited growth is impossible in the long run.

Many have said City have missed to bring more quality to the team after the 1st PL title.
Now - being a financial power in the market - you would prefer to save the money and wait a bit how players develop. Mhh.

I like your morale as I agree the system is crazy.
But in terms of market mechanism and philosophy of success you would be giving away your biggest advantage. Why?

Would our competitors follow that idea? Or would we just refuse to pay asking prices as a market leader and be happy not signing the best in the market, while hoping Pep could be successful with the current squad.

And finally: would Pep want to stay if we refuse to sign the players he wants to have for the title chase?
The owners of 'ManCity.com' :) obviously did their decision. Everybody is free to follow or not.

Back to the topic. Everything is said on this story. We just don't have a current overview of the facts and so the same questions pop up again and again.
I don't doubt Sané will be a City player by next Friday. And the financial terms disclosed won't be the full truth.

 

[Kompany is King]

Any significance to next Friday - 29.07.16

Yeah crazy. But don't worry mate, unlimited growth is impossible in the long run.

Many have said City have missed to bring more quality to the team after the 1st PL title.
Now - being a financial power in the market - you would prefer to save the money and wait a bit how players develop. Mhh.

I like your morale as I agree the system is crazy.
But in terms of market mechanism and philosophy of success you would be giving away your biggest advantage. Why?

Would our competitors follow that idea? Or would we just refuse to pay asking prices as a market leader and be happy not signing the best in the market, while hoping Pep could be successful with the current squad.

And finally: would Pep want to stay if we refuse to sign the players he wants to have for the title chase?
The owners of 'ManCity.com' :) obviously did their decision. Everybody is free to follow or not.

Back to the topic. Everything is said on this story. We just don't have a current overview of the facts and so the same questions pop up again and again.
I don't doubt Sané will be a City player by next Friday. And the financial terms disclosed won't be the full truth.

 

[jessery]

These transfers need to happen soon. I haven't gotten shit done at work in weeks. So everybody, shut up until there's news or I'm going to be stuck on this forum for the foreseeable future and lose my job.

 

[ono]

I don't understand these statements that a player should cost no more than X. There are no rules for how much a player is worth, the price is exactly what somebody is willing to pay, that can be between 0 and unlimited, and that is exactly what the player is worth at the time of the deal. This follows no logic, no rules and no comparisons. The discussions on here only reflect the limits of the individual contributors, and these are with a due respect completely arbitrary.

It's perfectly normal to compare values using similar teams and players of similar reputations and ability. Your logic could be applied to every single transaction in life, but in reality people are always going to compare fees and deals, especially on a football message board.

I would imagine fees, deals and value are all things Txixi is probably judged on. It's madness to suggest otherwise.

 

[domalino]

Maybe, maybe not. They'll be plenty of prospects who emerge between now and next season if that does happen. For the kind of money being reported, we should sign somebody who can contribute on the level of De Bruyne/Aguero.

I just look at us and compare our business to other clubs, and i scratch my head. Nolito and Gundogan are good buys to me (Gundogan is a risk given his injury history, but his quality is proven and the outlay on him isn't ridiculous) because they can contribute immediately.

Sane, Stones and Sterling on the other hand are all young players who may or may not go on to be world class, but will end up costing us round £45m each. Sane scored 8 goals and set up a further 6 in 38 games last season - fairly similar stats to Sterling. Stones meanwhile was in and out of the Everton team. Both Stones and Sane will most likely make it more difficult for Iheanacho and Denayer to get valuable minutes. I just think it's detrimental to what we already have and is a massively expensive experiment which may or may not work.

I could understand it if Sane and Stone and even Sterling were acquired for the kind of fee that evidently factors in the risk element of them not actually having the sort of ceiling we initially expect them to have, but the fees being touted are world class fees.

Embolo has just gone to Schalke for £20m ish, Dembele has just gone to Dortmund for £15m ish, Coman's option to go to Juve will cost about £16m, even Renato Sanches (which is also borderline ridiculous) even comes out considerably cheaper than the figures we are looking at or have spent. It's getting insane.

Your figures are just wrong.

Coman will cost Bayern £28m

Renato Sanches will end up costing them £61m

Martial will cost United £57m

So for us to complete a deal for Germany's best talent for £45m total, is a perfectly good deal.

 

[domalino]

Sanches cost 27m which could rise to about 38m should he go on and win boat loads and be a huge success at the club. Even that is at the top end of what a prospect should cost in my opinion. I think Martial has a tremendous upside and probably a higher ceiling than most prospects, but they massively overpaid for him.

Bayern have paid €35m and there are bonuses to take it up to €80m

 

[kupest]

Embolo is nowhere near the level of the other players you are quoting mate.

 

[TexasCityzen]

The part that confuses me, is where do all of these young prospects play? There are really only 4 offensive positions up for grabs on the pitch, correct? Aguero is a shoe in, KDB is a shoe in, I'd expect Silva to get a lot of minutes. Sterling, Sane, Roberts, Moreno, Gabriel, Zienchenko fighting for maybe 2 spots over the next 2-3 seasons? If Moreno, Gabriel, Zienchenko, and Roberts are all prospects based on their age, then surely Sane is as well? The fee being paid won't matter to Pep. He will have no allegiance. Competition for places is great and all, but at a certain point, it's excessive. Is Sane's potential better than all the rest? I'm not so sure...

Most people on here are guilty of it, myself included, but his isn't a video game where shiny new toys are required in every position, every summer. In a fairly tale world, if the Sane transfer was handled in a similar way to Moreno and Gabriel, we would all be pleased with the "quiet" business and there would be 40-50 pages, not 340 and counting. I'm not complaining, just curious to how some get all of theses talented players on the pitch. I do realize Gabriel and Roberts won't be available for 6-12 months, but I don't think that justifies the acquisition of Sane from a depth perspective.

 

[SWP's back]

Sanches cost 27m which could rise to about 38m should he go on and win boat loads and be a huge success at the club. Even that is at the top end of what a prospect should cost in my opinion. I think Martial has a tremendous upside and probably a higher ceiling than most prospects, but they massively overpaid for him.

Your figures are way way out.