Leroy Sané

[AdamManCity]

Bit random that pal, pep has confirmed we have spoken to the boy? Or am I missing something?

No mate it's just that it's clear it's not nailed on as we've been lead to believe no?

 

[Blue warrior]

No mate it's just that it's clear it's not nailed on as we've been lead to believe no?

Ah right I see, nothing is nailed on until they are holding the jersey up but I appreciate the tip offs from @Ric @tolmie's hairdoo @Danamy and one or 2 other guys who pass info on because it's genuine although not always correct.

 

[Chevelle]

No mate it's just that it's clear it's not nailed on as we've been lead to believe no?

You know signings aren't always announced immediately. We may have already signed someone and it could just be posturing.

All I can say bud is if you don't like the info provided in here maybe just watch the OS and stay away from the transfer forums.. easiest advice I can give you.

 

[ADegenerate]

An interesting and positive play that the club may have made from my POV is that we might have hedged our bets equally with Sane and Aubameyang. We've evaluated both and we're giving ourselves two options, equally happy with either. We won't be taken for fools this year with Sanes price or we'll pay the premium for Aubameyangs proven quality. Theory of course but food for thought. It's a win either way...hedging done the right way. We really seem to be winning in the long term these days. Trust the process.

 

[Centurions]

To be fair, they pass on third or forth hand information they have at that time that can change at any minute. I for one am always interested to hear it but I admittedly take it lightly as the only certainty is the OS.

Which is what the ITK's (the real ones, not the idiots) have always said. Even Txiki wouldn't have known until the last minute that Laporte was going to do an about turn.

 

[Chiefblue]

Which is what the ITK's (the real ones, not the idiots) have always said. Even Txiki wouldn't have known until the last minute that Laporte was going to do an about turn.

Yep without doubt. I think we can safely say that our recognised ITKs are not WUMs so I think it's important to apply a bit of common sense when something they've said doesn't materialise straight away.

 

[ono]

If his release clause goes down go 33m euros next season, why not wait til then and allow him a year to develop? He will likely get more game time at Schalke anyway. At present his efficiency and end product is probably inline with a good number of top flight wingers so he probably wouldn't be giving us anything other worldly in the next year or so, so why not give him another year to see if he incrementally improves?

Seems to me to be star money being thrown at someone who may or may not be the next star.

 

[Pubteam Lomas]

If his release clause goes down go 33m euros next season, why not wait til then and allow him a year to develop? He will likely get more game time at Schalke anyway. At present his efficiency and end product is probably inline with a good number of top flight wingers so he probably wouldn't be giving us anything other worldly in the next year or so, so why not give him another year to see if he incrementally improves?

Seems to me to be star money being thrown at someone who may or may not be the next star.

Because if we wait then he'll most likely go to Bayern. Think we want to steal a march on these clubs.

 

[Rebelblue]

Because Bayern will win that battle if we leave it go til next summer. If he is great this year they will nab him for the 33 reported figure. We won't. Better to have a look now if he does fulfil his potentiatial then hurrah.

 

[ono]

Because if we wait then he'll most likely go to Bayern. Think we want to steal a march on these clubs.

Maybe, maybe not. They'll be plenty of prospects who emerge between now and next season if that does happen. For the kind of money being reported, we should sign somebody who can contribute on the level of De Bruyne/Aguero.

I just look at us and compare our business to other clubs, and i scratch my head. Nolito and Gundogan are good buys to me (Gundogan is a risk given his injury history, but his quality is proven and the outlay on him isn't ridiculous) because they can contribute immediately.

Sane, Stones and Sterling on the other hand are all young players who may or may not go on to be world class, but will end up costing us round £45m each. Sane scored 8 goals and set up a further 6 in 38 games last season - fairly similar stats to Sterling. Stones meanwhile was in and out of the Everton team. Both Stones and Sane will most likely make it more difficult for Iheanacho and Denayer to get valuable minutes. I just think it's detrimental to what we already have and is a massively expensive experiment which may or may not work.

I could understand it if Sane and Stone and even Sterling were acquired for the kind of fee that evidently factors in the risk element of them not actually having the sort of ceiling we initially expect them to have, but the fees being touted are world class fees.

Embolo has just gone to Schalke for £20m ish, Dembele has just gone to Dortmund for £15m ish, Coman's option to go to Juve will cost about £16m, even Renato Sanches (which is also borderline ridiculous) even comes out considerably cheaper than the figures we are looking at or have spent. It's getting insane.

 

[yankcitizen76]

Maybe, maybe not. They'll be plenty of prospects who emerge between now and next season if that does happen. For the kind of money being reported, we should sign somebody who can contribute on the level of De Bruyne/Aguero.

I just look at us and compare our business to other clubs, and i scratch my head. Nolito and Gundogan are good buys to me (Gundogan is a risk given his injury history, but his quality is proven and the outlay on him isn't ridiculous) because they can contribute immediately.

Sane, Stones and Sterling on the other hand are all young players who may or may not go on to be world class, but will end up costing us round £45m each. Sane scored 8 goals and set up a further 6 in 38 games last season - fairly similar stats to Sterling. Stones meanwhile was in and out of the Everton team. Both Stones and Sane will most likely make it more difficult for Iheanacho and Denayer to get valuable minutes. I just think it's detrimental to what we already have and is a massively expensive experiment which may or may not work.

I could understand it if Sane and Stone and even Sterling were acquired for the kind of fee that evidently factors in the risk element of them not actually having the sort of ceiling we initially expect them to have, but the fees being touted are world class fees.

Embolo has just gone to Schalke for £20m ish, Dembele has just gone to Dortmund for £15m ish, Coman's option to go to Juve will cost about £16m, even Renato Sanches (which is also borderline ridiculous) even comes out considerably cheaper than the figures we are looking at or have spent. It's getting insane.

Yeah. I feel you. You can almost add on fee of 20 mill to every major signing of young prospective talent we get. It's almost like clubs are colluding to drive up the prices when we buy then expect a discount when we sell. It's not for every player but when the papers get a hold of it the value shoots through the roof. Then that same club buys another player to little fan fair.

 

[ono]

Yeah. I feel you. You can almost add on fee of 20 mill to every major signing of young prospective talent we sign. It's almost like clubs are colluding to drive up the prices when we buy then expect a discount when we sell. It's not for every player but when the papers get a hold of it the value shoots through the roof. Then that same club buys another player to little fan fair.

I know and by caving in to it we are just worsening the problem for ourselves in the long run. Everytime we or another big club hugely over pays, the barometer changes and a 30m player is suddenly worth double that.

 

[CityFan94]

£50-60 million seems to be the going price for super talented young players.

That's what Sanches and Martial cost Bayern and United.

If these type of players are £50-60 million now, what will they be worth when they're in their prime? At least £100 million.

 

[citytill1die84]

£50-60 million seems to be the going price for super talented young players.

That's what Sanches and Martial cost Bayern and United.

If these type of players are £50-60 million now, what will they be worth when they're in their prime? At least £100 million.

Sanches cost Bayern 27m

 

[johnmc]

£50-60 million seems to be the going price for super talented young players.

That's what Sanches and Martial cost Bayern and United.

If these type of players are £50-60 million now, what will they be worth when they're in their prime? At least £100 million.

Those two deals were for initial fees at £30m but can more than double if certain triggers are met such as appearances, trophies, caps, awards etc. So if they are all met the total fees seem reasonable at the minimum.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Maybe, maybe not. They'll be plenty of prospects who emerge between now and next season if that does happen. For the kind of money being reported, we should sign somebody who can contribute on the level of De Bruyne/Aguero.

I just look at us and compare our business to other clubs, and i scratch my head. Nolito and Gundogan are good buys to me (Gundogan is a risk given his injury history, but his quality is proven and the outlay on him isn't ridiculous) because they can contribute immediately.

Sane, Stones and Sterling on the other hand are all young players who may or may not go on to be world class, but will end up costing us round £45m each. Sane scored 8 goals and set up a further 6 in 38 games last season - fairly similar stats to Sterling. Stones meanwhile was in and out of the Everton team. Both Stones and Sane will most likely make it more difficult for Iheanacho and Denayer to get valuable minutes. I just think it's detrimental to what we already have and is a massively expensive experiment which may or may not work.

I could understand it if Sane and Stone and even Sterling were acquired for the kind of fee that evidently factors in the risk element of them not actually having the sort of ceiling we initially expect them to have, but the fees being touted are world class fees.

Embolo has just gone to Schalke for £20m ish, Dembele has just gone to Dortmund for £15m ish, Coman's option to go to Juve will cost about £16m, even Renato Sanches (which is also borderline ridiculous) even comes out considerably cheaper than the figures we are looking at or have spent. It's getting insane.

Great post mate. Wouldn't bother me at all if we went with the squad as it is, despite the constant putting down of our players by some on here.

With the talented youngsters that we have, and the experience that saw us get to the semi finals of the Champions League, I'm more than confident that with Pep in charge and barring any unforeseen catastrophes, we will be competing to the last for all four trophies on offer. Can't wait.

 

[ono]

£50-60 million seems to be the going price for super talented young players.

That's what Sanches and Martial cost Bayern and United.

If these type of players are £50-60 million now, what will they be worth when they're in their prime? At least £100 million.

Sanches cost 27m which could rise to about 38m should he go on and win boat loads and be a huge success at the club. Even that is at the top end of what a prospect should cost in my opinion. I think Martial has a tremendous upside and probably a higher ceiling than most prospects, but they massively overpaid for him.

 

[Bluearmy]

If his release clause goes down go 33m euros next season, why not wait til then and allow him a year to develop? He will likely get more game time at Schalke anyway. At present his efficiency and end product is probably inline with a good number of top flight wingers so he probably wouldn't be giving us anything other worldly in the next year or so, so why not give him another year to see if he incrementally improves?

Seems to me to be star money being thrown at someone who may or may not be the next star.

Interesting point. Sterling often lambasted on here contributed more than the likes of Sane, Coman, Carascco, etc last season... 11 goals in the equivalent of 33 games is unmatched by anyone in the top leagues of a similar age....!! We also have some form with not giving young players enough time to establish themselves, Savic, Nastasic possibly Boateng come to mind.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

So are we any nearer this signing or have we now moved back onto Abuabameyang

 

[Jazzman]

I don't understand these statements that a player should cost no more than X. There are no rules for how much a player is worth, the price is exactly what somebody is willing to pay, that can be between 0 and unlimited, and that is exactly what the player is worth at the time of the deal. This follows no logic, no rules and no comparisons. The discussions on here only reflect the limits of the individual contributors, and these are with a due respect completely arbitrary.