Who said they were out and our wingers?
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Leroy Sane - 2018/2019 performances
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He didn't to be fair, another poster did.'he a talented but inconsistent athleye with a lot to work on to be special. A lot.'
Just one of your lines i was replying to,no idea why you have brought the best player in world football,ever,into it.
Genuinely, wanting a discussion here, what is so wrong about what he said? There seems to be very little middle ground with Sané, it has to be seen as all positive or not.
His passing lags behind Sterling and Mahrez, both to the naked eye and statically.
His conversion rate was about 17% towards the end of last season, again behind Sterling.
Creatively he averages half as many key passes as Raheem too. Twice as much as Mahrez though.
Sterling's movement is second to none in the PL for my money and by default Sané's leaves a lot to be desired.
As a physical specimen he is the "create a player" we all dream of as a winger but factoring in other attributes he's lagging behind his own teammate who isn't regarded as highly on here but already today he's been put just below Messi and better than Ronaldo was at 22.
I genuinely don't see the fuss at the moment, stress, at the moment when it comes to all this "best young player in the world/Ballon d'Or" hype. If he can produce what Sterling did at 23 let alone Ronaldo or Messi then I'll be banging his drum as loud I do Raheem's.
A wonderful talent, I just don't see what's wrong with wanting that talent to be applied a little more instead of talking about it.
This is by no means a direct comparison before folk flip their lid but I remember neutral fans all clamouring for Adam Jonhson and we'd all say "watch him for 90 mins and not just MOTD.." which is how I'd approach Sané more often than not.
Who said they were out and our wingers?
I said Sané was the best out & out winger in the world, your counter argument started with Salah and Hazard being better.
They are not, they are not out and our wingers.
That sir is an artfully put together statement. But just so we are accurate, can you quote the start of my counter argument? You know, the one that caused you to stop reading at 'Hazard and Salah being out and out wingers'I said Sané was the best out & out winger in the world, your counter argument started with Salah and Hazard being better.
They are not, they are not out and our wingers.
Do me a favor and don' paraphrase. Quote. :)
I have annoyed FI, he is done with this topic. Perhaps bring it up later. I'll stay out of it.He didn't to be fair, another poster did.
Genuinely, wanting a discussion here, what is so wrong about what he said? There seems to be very little middle ground with Sané, it has to be seen as all positive or not.
His passing lags behind Sterling and Mahrez, both to the naked eye and statically.
His conversion rate was about 17% towards the end of last season, again behind Sterling.
Creatively he averages half as many key passes as Raheem too. Twice as much as Mahrez though.
Sterling's movement is second to none in the PL for my money and by default Sané's leaves a lot to be desired.
As a physical specimen he is the "create a player" we all dream of as a winger but factoring in other attributes he's lagging behind his own teammate who isn't regarded as highly on here but already today he's been put just below Messi and better than Ronaldo was at 22.
I genuinely don't see the fuss at the moment, stress, at the moment when it comes to all this "best young player in the world/Ballon d'Or" hype. If he can produce what Sterling did at 23 let alone Ronaldo or Messi then I'll be banging his drum as loud I do Raheem's.
A wonderful talent, I just don't see what's wrong with wanting that talent to be applied a little more instead of talking about it.
This is by no means a direct comparison before folk flip their lid but I remember neutral fans all clamouring for Adam Jonhson and we'd all say "watch him for 90 mins and not just MOTD.." which is how I'd approach Sané more often than not.
That sir is an artfully put together statement. But just so we are accurate, can you quote the start of my counter argument? You know, the one that caused you to stop reading at 'Hazard and Salah being out and out wingers'
Do me a favor and don' paraphrase. Quote. :)
We've crossed paths before. You watch football, you enjoy football, you love your stats.
But listing Salah and Hazard when I was talking about out and out wingers leaves everything else you've said nothing more than an opinion, one not to be taken seriously if you think Hazard & Salah are wingers let alone out & out wingers.
I dissected your original post with my opinions, they're totally at odds to yours.
So it's an agree to disagree situation.
Ok. There was a legitimate discussion to be heard here, but I'll respectfully leave it as you want it left. ;)We've crossed paths before. You watch football, you enjoy football, you love your stats.
But listing Salah and Hazard when I was talking about out and out wingers leaves everything else you've said nothing more than an opinion, one not to be taken seriously if you think Hazard & Salah are wingers let alone out & out wingers.
I dissected your original post with my opinions, they're totally at odds to yours.
So it's an agree to disagree situation.
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Leroy’s touch is an interesting debate. I definitely sided with dax in that it needs a lot of work but I also agree with the poster who said that his touch from behind while approaching a sprint is sublime.
I could not find a word to disagree with here. But I couldn't agree any more with the bolded.Feels very harsh. Sane is a risk-taker. He can give the ball away and look careless yes, but he is also capable of mazing runs taking 4 defenders out. Nobody else on the team can do that except perhaps Aguero (and even then not as often). Being a risk-taker means he will make mistakes. But he is also one of the players other top teams fear the most. Ask the Scouser fans. Look at the goal he scored in the league match at Anfield last year. Probably only KDB or Aguero could have matched that. He also is the quickest player in the team (which is saying something when you line up alongside Walker and Sterling). He's obviously not Messi. Not close yet. But he is 22. He won't get to his peak for another 5-6 years. If he keeps his head on his shoulders and works his nuts off, he could easily be a Ballon d'Or contender by that time.
Wretched Vengeance
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Leroy’s touch is an interesting debate. I definitely sided with dax in that it needs a lot of work but I also agree with the poster who said that his touch from behind while approaching a sprint is sublime.
I think his touch is often the product of him always trying to be positive. He wants to control the ball while moving, thus continuing his momentum. When it comes off, he makes the defender look awful. When it doesn't, he looks half-arsed and incompetent.
I personally think he's sensational, and yes he has his faults, but he will only get better.
ADegenerate
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I think his touch is often the product of him always trying to be positive. He wants to control the ball while moving, thus continuing his momentum. When it comes off, he makes the defender look awful. When it doesn't, he looks half-arsed and incompetent.
I personally think he's sensational, and yes he has his faults, but he will only get better.
You're absolutely right and I've switched my POV on his touch. I'm all for maximizing edges and that's what he tries to do.
I think you are both being generous. Yes he has great potential, but his touch isn't comparable to Mahrez, Berny, or Sterling. Sometimes, easy balls slip under his foot while he is simply trying to control it. This has nothing to do with positive movement to maximize edge. He simply just doesn't have the control or touch of a Mahrez/Berny.You're absolutely right and I've switched my POV on his touch. I'm all for maximizing edges and that's what he tries to do.
ADegenerate
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I think you are both being generous. Yes he has great potential, but his touch isn't comparable to Mahrez, Berny, or Sterling. Sometimes, easy balls slip under his foot while he is simply trying to control it. This has nothing to do with positive movement to maximize edge. He simply just doesn't have the control or touch of a Mahrez/Berny.
You're not wrong. His touch is TERRIBLE at times but he also has the ability to nail a touch that meets his run and continues his blistering pace seamlessly and he does it often on retrospect. I took it for granted for sure.
He's kind of an enigma right now.
Fair enough. You have a point as it regards his control at pace.You're not wrong. His touch is TERRIBLE at times but he also has the ability to nail a touch that meets his run and continues his blistering pace seamlessly and he does it often on retrospect. I took it for granted for sure.
He's kind of an enigma right now.
They might have,but ultimately they would all be disappointed.
You're entitled to your opinion. Don't confuse it with fact.
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Hes not Messi but he’s not Martin Phillips either. He has already proven he is fantastic player who has an incredibly high ceiling. For me, we look much better and much more dangerous with sane in the team than without him. He is willing to try the difficult and often risky play as it has the highest reward.
His concentration does seem to be a weakness but it can and will improve. I can’t wait to see player this guy can become.
For those questioning his control, let’s not forget, a lot of the time he’s controlling missiles pinged at him from walker when hes in a tight space. I think his control itself is fine, it’s his concentration or sometimes I get the impression he is trying to execute his next move before he even has the ball under control.
His concentration does seem to be a weakness but it can and will improve. I can’t wait to see player this guy can become.
For those questioning his control, let’s not forget, a lot of the time he’s controlling missiles pinged at him from walker when hes in a tight space. I think his control itself is fine, it’s his concentration or sometimes I get the impression he is trying to execute his next move before he even has the ball under control.
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Should i have put IMO on the end? silly me.....i keep forgetting about the pedants on here.You're entitled to your opinion. Don't confuse it with fact.
ADegenerate
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Should i have put IMO on the end? silly me.....i keep forgetting about the pedants on here.
Really enjoying sassy FI this year :-)
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Really enjoying sassy FI this year :-)
Moulded ;-)
Personally I think the quickest/biggest improvement he could make isn't passing/control etc, it would be his positioning in attacks down the right. Henry and Sterling both talked about how important it is to Pep that you stay wide and stretch the pitch, but then also come into the box at the right moments. Guardiola also said when he spoke to Sky in the summer that both wingers were working to get in the box more, but while it's been really obvious improvement with Sterling, not so much with Sane.
So often when we attack down the right, a cross might go in and it'll go all the way across the box and Leroy hasn't gotten to the back post in time.
If he can time that run a bit better, he'll pick up 10 easy goals a season just like Sterling did and take himself to another level.
So often when we attack down the right, a cross might go in and it'll go all the way across the box and Leroy hasn't gotten to the back post in time.
If he can time that run a bit better, he'll pick up 10 easy goals a season just like Sterling did and take himself to another level.
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