Lescott

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

Lescott will stay for at least one more year because he has a contract and it doesn't matter if it is a world cup year. He must fight for his place like any other player.

Do you think the club will be content to have a player on 100k/week sat in the reserves for most of the season?

Lescott has already stated his desire to play as much as possible and i think they'll be equally keen to see him elsewhere.

But will he take a drop in salary to realise these ambitions?

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

Blame Hughes, the dick had no valuation sense

What was the combined fee for three of our best players - Komps,Zab and Barry??

Oh come come now, we can all play that game:

RSC, Ade & Jo.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

Why does Lescotts valuation matter we bought him at his peak. He has been a regular in the countries tightest defence and won the FA Cup and Premier League.
At £24 million it was overpriced buy you cannot say he hasn't done his bit

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

Why does Lescotts valuation matter we bought him at his peak. He has been a regular in the countries tightest defence and won the FA Cup and Premier League.
At £24 million it was overpriced buy you cannot say he hasn't done his bit

That's the way I read this and other transfer items. We paid the fee for his services and he duly obliged in the way of trophies. If City were prepared to pay this fee on this basis, then there is no point in arguing over it.

 

[the blue panther]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

To be honest the way the England team is organised even if Lescott only plays two games this year he will still go to the World Cup. Woy as good as admitted that players like Rooney will play for England regardless. I do rate Lescott, I didn't at first but in our title winning season I thought he was brilliant (except an error against QPR that was almost so costly!). I think Nastasic's mobility is the main reason Mancini preferred him, against Real he managed to cope with the pressure well and he had an amazing season that had he been English he would have won awards for. It would benefit Lescott and England if he went elsewhere, although I rate Cahill , Jagielka and Dawson ahead of him anyway. It is a tough call because I think we need to keep Nasty happy but also nurture him and someone with the nouse and experience of Pepe would be brilliant. Kompany is an amazing defender but he has a lot to learn as he is still young in terms of a defender. Pepe has that dirty side to his game, I'm not talking about red cards, but the ability to wind the opposition up and use experience to win free kicks etc. That is something that every defender must have. Kompany is a gent and a clean defender, he too would benefit from being a bit harder on the pitch and stamping his authority.

I agree with everything there apart from rating Dawson ahead of Lescott - not a lot between them anway - but you're spot on with everything else imho.
Unless we are signing 2 centre halfs, or unless Boyata has suddenly jumped up the rankings, Lescott has to stay with us, as we need four good 'uns.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

To be honest the way the England team is organised even if Lescott only plays two games this year he will still go to the World Cup. Woy as good as admitted that players like Rooney will play for England regardless. I do rate Lescott, I didn't at first but in our title winning season I thought he was brilliant (except an error against QPR that was almost so costly!). I think Nastasic's mobility is the main reason Mancini preferred him, against Real he managed to cope with the pressure well and he had an amazing season that had he been English he would have won awards for. It would benefit Lescott and England if he went elsewhere, although I rate Cahill , Jagielka and Dawson ahead of him anyway. It is a tough call because I think we need to keep Nasty happy but also nurture him and someone with the nouse and experience of Pepe would be brilliant. Kompany is an amazing defender but he has a lot to learn as he is still young in terms of a defender. Pepe has that dirty side to his game, I'm not talking about red cards, but the ability to wind the opposition up and use experience to win free kicks etc. That is something that every defender must have. Kompany is a gent and a clean defender, he too would benefit from being a bit harder on the pitch and stamping his authority.

I agree with everything there apart from rating Dawson ahead of Lescott - not a lot between them anway - but you're spot on with everything else imho.
Unless we are signing 2 centre halfs, or unless Boyata has suddenly jumped up the rankings, Lescott has to stay with us, as we need four good 'uns.

Dawson is not fit to lace Lescott's boots, nor Micah's playing at centre back, or Kolo Toure's for that matter.

I really don't get the devaluation of Lescott at all. The best defence we have had at City for decades, not just recent years, was Kompany & Lescott at centre back. The only comparable partnership was Doyle & Watson. We played the rags in a key title game & they didn't have a fucking shot on goal.

Last season, we experimented pre season & then started defending badly throughout the team, then broke up that partnership & were much less effective defensively over the course of the season, whoever played there. Somehow people have decided that defence was better than the one the previous season. It wasn't.

None of our defenders were great last season apart from Zabaleta. Nastasic deserves some leeway because he is a kid, but he made just as many mistakes as Lescott & Kompany, who both made plenty. None of them were great. One was promising for the future but flawed & the others were so so, including Kolo, who himself was no worse than Vincent Kompany.

The defence was statistically better than others in the Premier League. The others include, Luiz, Phil Jones, Evans, Arsenal, Dawson, they are SHIT. That's why we were better. We still shipped goals against the decent sides we played.

It's all of them, individually & as a team who need to improve, not just Lescott. He was no worse than anyone else. We can get away with it in the Premier League to some extent but will get dumped out of Europe again if we don't sort it.

And by the way, how anyone can say Nastasic or anybody else played well v Real Madrid is beyond me. We should have lost by about 8 goals.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

I can't understand how anyone would want to go to an inferior club just so they are in with a shout of getting in the England squad. Doesn't Joleoninho realise that he has to wear the fifty shades of red tablecloth to get picked in the first place.

 

[chedinho]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

To be honest the way the England team is organised even if Lescott only plays two games this year he will still go to the World Cup. Woy as good as admitted that players like Rooney will play for England regardless. I do rate Lescott, I didn't at first but in our title winning season I thought he was brilliant (except an error against QPR that was almost so costly!). I think Nastasic's mobility is the main reason Mancini preferred him, against Real he managed to cope with the pressure well and he had an amazing season that had he been English he would have won awards for. It would benefit Lescott and England if he went elsewhere, although I rate Cahill , Jagielka and Dawson ahead of him anyway. It is a tough call because I think we need to keep Nasty happy but also nurture him and someone with the nouse and experience of Pepe would be brilliant. Kompany is an amazing defender but he has a lot to learn as he is still young in terms of a defender. Pepe has that dirty side to his game, I'm not talking about red cards, but the ability to wind the opposition up and use experience to win free kicks etc. That is something that every defender must have. Kompany is a gent and a clean defender, he too would benefit from being a bit harder on the pitch and stamping his authority.

I agree with everything there apart from rating Dawson ahead of Lescott - not a lot between them anway - but you're spot on with everything else imho.
Unless we are signing 2 centre halfs, or unless Boyata has suddenly jumped up the rankings, Lescott has to stay with us, as we need four good 'uns.

Dawson is not fit to lace Lescott's boots, nor Micah's playing at centre back, or Kolo Toure's for that matter.

I really don't get the devaluation of Lescott at all. The best defence we have had at City for decades, not just recent years, was Kompany & Lescott at centre back. The only comparable partnership was Doyle & Watson. We played the rags in a key title game & they didn't have a fucking shot on goal.

Last season, we experimented pre season & then started defending badly throughout the team, then broke up that partnership & were much less effective defensively over the course of the season, whoever played there. Somehow people have decided that defence was better than the one the previous season. It wasn't.

None of our defenders were great last season apart from Zabaleta. Nastasic deserves some leeway because he is a kid, but he made just as many mistakes as Lescott & Kompany, who both made plenty. None of them were great. One was promising for the future but flawed & the others were so so, including Kolo, who himself was no worse than Vincent Kompany.

The defence was statistically better than others in the Premier League. The others include, Luiz, Phil Jones, Evans, Arsenal, Dawson, they are SHIT. That's why we were better. We still shipped goals against the decent sides we played.

It's all of them, individually & as a team who need to improve, not just Lescott. He was no worse than anyone else. We can get away with it in the Premier League to some extent but will get dumped out of Europe again if we don't sort it.

And by the way, how anyone can say Nastasic or anybody else played well v Real Madrid is beyond me. We should have lost by about 8 goals.

thats howi would sum it up nev.

 

[Mr. Aguia]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

To be honest the way the England team is organised even if Lescott only plays two games this year he will still go to the World Cup. Woy as good as admitted that players like Rooney will play for England regardless. I do rate Lescott, I didn't at first but in our title winning season I thought he was brilliant (except an error against QPR that was almost so costly!). I think Nastasic's mobility is the main reason Mancini preferred him, against Real he managed to cope with the pressure well and he had an amazing season that had he been English he would have won awards for. It would benefit Lescott and England if he went elsewhere, although I rate Cahill , Jagielka and Dawson ahead of him anyway. It is a tough call because I think we need to keep Nasty happy but also nurture him and someone with the nouse and experience of Pepe would be brilliant. Kompany is an amazing defender but he has a lot to learn as he is still young in terms of a defender. Pepe has that dirty side to his game, I'm not talking about red cards, but the ability to wind the opposition up and use experience to win free kicks etc. That is something that every defender must have. Kompany is a gent and a clean defender, he too would benefit from being a bit harder on the pitch and stamping his authority.

I agree with everything there apart from rating Dawson ahead of Lescott - not a lot between them anway - but you're spot on with everything else imho.
Unless we are signing 2 centre halfs, or unless Boyata has suddenly jumped up the rankings, Lescott has to stay with us, as we need four good 'uns.

Dawson is not fit to lace Lescott's boots, nor Micah's playing at centre back, or Kolo Toure's for that matter.

I really don't get the devaluation of Lescott at all. The best defence we have had at City for decades, not just recent years, was Kompany & Lescott at centre back. The only comparable partnership was Doyle & Watson. We played the rags in a key title game & they didn't have a fucking shot on goal.

Last season, we experimented pre season & then started defending badly throughout the team, then broke up that partnership & were much less effective defensively over the course of the season, whoever played there. Somehow people have decided that defence was better than the one the previous season. It wasn't.

None of our defenders were great last season apart from Zabaleta. Nastasic deserves some leeway because he is a kid, but he made just as many mistakes as Lescott & Kompany, who both made plenty. None of them were great. One was promising for the future but flawed & the others were so so, including Kolo, who himself was no worse than Vincent Kompany.

The defence was statistically better than others in the Premier League. The others include, Luiz, Phil Jones, Evans, Arsenal, Dawson, they are SHIT. That's why we were better. We still shipped goals against the decent sides we played.

It's all of them, individually & as a team who need to improve, not just Lescott. He was no worse than anyone else. We can get away with it in the Premier League to some extent but will get dumped out of Europe again if we don't sort it.

And by the way, how anyone can say Nastasic or anybody else played well v Real Madrid is beyond me. We should have lost by about 8 goals.

I agreed with everything you said except that Lescott wasn't any poorer than anyone else. Have to disagree. He's often caught out of position and leaves the others in a bad spot. Very poor on the ball which becomes a real problem vs teams that press high up the pitch leading to a lot of easy turnovers in dangerous positions. Even in the title winning season he was making errors leading to scoring chances. In the 6-1 game he made a couple that we were fortunate to get away with, could have changed the whole complexion of the game.

You are spot on about us not being as good in defence as many seem to think. Even in the title season we gave up a lot of chances. Many of them we were fortunate that they wasted them rather than our players having played well to defend them. CL should have proven to everyone we aren't that solid at the back. Clichy is good most weeks in the PL but to go deep in the CL I think we need to improve on him. Even Zab has his moments in the CL. Defending in the PL is shocking. Having the best defence in the worst defending league isn't good enough.

 

[City_Sean]

Re: Lescott on his way.....

I like Lescott, my problem is he ins't good enough on the ball when we play in Europe, Hes superb when you play the likes of west ham and stoke.