bluepeter62
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prima said:
Oh come on, there is no way we where battered by WBA and Stoke. We didn't play well, but had the majority of the play without showing that cutting edge.
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Oh come on, there is no way we where battered by WBA and Stoke. We didn't play well, but had the majority of the play without showing that cutting edge.
bluepeter62
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prima said:if we didnt get battered, our shots on target were minimal, the point though was the apparant lack of preperation...or game plan.... the results.......we lost! also Portsmouth!
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Well that's a lot different from saying we where battered. Every time you lose people will question the preparation, game plan etc, and that is how it should be. Yes I think we have lost due to tactical decisions in some games. But I am sure we have also lost due to the players not performing. I just wish every loss was not due solely to the manager. Players do have bad days, even when the tactics are spot on.
Its my view you win and lose has a team. Of course it will always be the manager where the buck stops.
Either way we are not where we should be and everyone is to blame for that.
The question is does Mark Hughes and his support staff have the smarts to take us to where we should be and should be on a regular basis given the advantages we currently have over most of our opposition or are the players as a group willing to do what it takes to achieve the success we have lacked over the past 30 years plus irrespective of who is in charge.
I have reservations we lack the right combination on both fronts but if Hughes wants more time it appears that the owners are willing to give him that time.
Personally I am disappointed with this season to date more so than our past few given what we have at our disposal.
The question is does Mark Hughes and his support staff have the smarts to take us to where we should be and should be on a regular basis given the advantages we currently have over most of our opposition or are the players as a group willing to do what it takes to achieve the success we have lacked over the past 30 years plus irrespective of who is in charge.
I have reservations we lack the right combination on both fronts but if Hughes wants more time it appears that the owners are willing to give him that time.
Personally I am disappointed with this season to date more so than our past few given what we have at our disposal.
bluepeter62
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mancity1 said:Either way we are not where we should be and everyone is to blame for that.
The question is does Mark Hughes and his support staff have the smarts to take us to where we should be and should be on a regular basis given the advantages we currently have over most of our opposition or are the players as a group willing to do what it takes to achieve the success we have lacked over the past 30 years plus irrespective of who is in charge.
I have reservations we lack the right combination on both fronts but if Hughes wants more time it appears that the owners are willing to give him that time.
Personally I am disappointed with this season to date more so than our past few given what we have at our disposal.
I don't argue with you regarding that some of the results have been disappointing. However, I don't think its worse than last season. There was an awful lot of games, like Birmingham, Sunderland and Reading at home where we won by the skin of our teeth.
I am afraid the good start from that season has resulted in the myth we where a top six team in the waiting.
How you can say you where satisfied with the season under Pearce rather than this one mystifies me.
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One thing I will give the man credit for;
Since the Jan window and the signings of Bridge & Super Shay, the defence has started to look something like it has in years gone by. I am not as concerned about crosses being swung in as I was a couple of months ago, its a much more solid unit.
Ned and Dunney have really started to gel, I voted for Ned as player of last month, and I probably will again this month, he has been fooking excellent since he got his starting spot back. Dunney has been a colossus of late, and its great to see.
Bridge doesnt get enough credit. Its easy to slag the lad when he is exposed with a RM and a RB charging him down, but he has helped the back 4 immensely. Javi is a good little player, and Bridge coming in was harsh on him, but if he buckles down, we could be sorted at LB for a good few years.
Finally Micah. Starting to look something like the player we know he can be. Still a little rough around the edges, but RB is where he needs to play, where he always needed to play. Can see him getting his confidence bak with every challenge.
Since the Jan window and the signings of Bridge & Super Shay, the defence has started to look something like it has in years gone by. I am not as concerned about crosses being swung in as I was a couple of months ago, its a much more solid unit.
Ned and Dunney have really started to gel, I voted for Ned as player of last month, and I probably will again this month, he has been fooking excellent since he got his starting spot back. Dunney has been a colossus of late, and its great to see.
Bridge doesnt get enough credit. Its easy to slag the lad when he is exposed with a RM and a RB charging him down, but he has helped the back 4 immensely. Javi is a good little player, and Bridge coming in was harsh on him, but if he buckles down, we could be sorted at LB for a good few years.
Finally Micah. Starting to look something like the player we know he can be. Still a little rough around the edges, but RB is where he needs to play, where he always needed to play. Can see him getting his confidence bak with every challenge.
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I know what you mean there. At times under Pearce I felt like ending it all. Not my match-going, but my life. It was so depressing.bluepeter62 said:How you can say you where satisfied with the season under Pearce rather than this one mystifies me.
bluepeter62 said:mancity1 said:Either way we are not where we should be and everyone is to blame for that.
The question is does Mark Hughes and his support staff have the smarts to take us to where we should be and should be on a regular basis given the advantages we currently have over most of our opposition or are the players as a group willing to do what it takes to achieve the success we have lacked over the past 30 years plus irrespective of who is in charge.
I have reservations we lack the right combination on both fronts but if Hughes wants more time it appears that the owners are willing to give him that time.
Personally I am disappointed with this season to date more so than our past few given what we have at our disposal.
I don't argue with you regarding that some of the results have been disappointing. However, I don't think its worse than last season. There was an awful lot of games, like Birmingham, Sunderland and Reading at home where we won by the skin of our teeth.
I am afraid the good start from that season has resulted in the myth we where a top six team in the waiting.
How you can say you where satisfied with the season under Pearce rather than this one mystifies me.
I never said I was satisfied what I said was given what we have brought in and most people agree the signings have been of reasonable quality vis a vis the likes of most of our opposition ( I stress most ) and I have never believed we are a top six team in the waiting with our current set up especially.
At least we won those games you mention and for me its not so much how you win as long as you win.
When you consider what SP an Sven had at their disposal are our results as a whole that much worse than this season to date?
We still need seven points to achieve the same mark in SP's last season and we were pining our hopes on the likes of Samaras and Mpenza back then.
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When you consider what SP an Sven had at their disposal are our results as a whole that much worse than this season to date?mancity1 said:When you consider what SP an Sven had at their disposal are our results as a whole that much worse than this season to date?
We still need seven points to achieve the same mark in SP's last season and we were pining our hopes on the likes of Samaras and Mpenza back then.
We still need seven points to achieve the same mark in SP's last season and we were pining our hopes on the likes of Samaras and Mpenza back then.[/quote]
I've never really compared the Pearce era to Hughes' season so far. Now I've thought about it Pearce's side were built to defend with as many men behind the ball as possible. We didn't get tonked much and we didn't win by a flurry of goals. Look at SP's record:
P38 W11 D9 L18 GF29 GA44 GD-15. 42 Points and ended up in 14th
Pearce had a shocking side to work with and no money to get anything else. All things considered he did alright with that team, but he had a totally different target of staying safe, nothing else. Excluding Hart, the players he brought in were not much better, if not worse, than we had and we relied heavily on the lads we bled in from the academy to get us to safety, with 4 points diffence between us and relegation. In short, we were a team that were fighting to survive. That was our outlook before every game and that's how we set up. And it was shit.
Sven came in - P38 W15 D10 L13 GF45 GA53 GD-8. 55 Points and ended up in 9th
Brilliant signings in Elano, Corluka, Petrov have us a briliant start. No money at Christmas, went on a shit run. W5 L10 in second half of the season. On and off the field problems, Sven sacked, squad low on morale. The team had gone fromone of the best runs to one of the worst runs in one season. The quality we had wasn't enough to sustain the momentum and the squad was unbalanced. Whether Sven could have turned it round the next season is something we'll never know.
Hughes' record so far - P29 W10 D5 L14 GF45 GA37 GD+8. 35 Points
9 games to go. Hughes has spent a lot of money but seems to have made no progress from last year. Except he isn't using the same squad as Sven. He's inherited some quality players from him (Elano, Petrov, Bojinov, anyone else? - two players that we've rarely seen this season and Elano's been hit and miss all year) but he knows he's got an imbalanced squad. So rather than paper over the cracks, he's tried sorting it out and bought teh players he thinks will give us the base of a decent team. He hasn't signed anyone special because he knows what the fundamental requirements for a future team is. When the time comes to get the superstars everyone wants right now, he will. He's signed decent enough quality as it is for present.
So yeah, we are relying on different players, because we have to. Sven inherited a squad and improved it with a couple of quality signings. Hughes inherited a squad that needed a kick up the arse and a few hard as fuck types who know how to play the game. He's basically near enough where Sven was last year in the league and in a QF of a knockout tournament with a whole new set of players that I think will be here for the long-term. That's why I'm sticking with the 'give him more time' arguement.
Sorry I waffled.