Leslie Mark Hughes

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Hughes and this city team getting stronger as the season has gone alone is a myth(3th, 8th, 8th, 14th, 13th, 10th, 10th(that's the position in the league at the end of each month). This isn't a Hughes out post, as it's pointless, what I think or indeed anyone on the board thinks is totally irrelevant the ball is in the owners court. However, to say that people want him out simply because he is a rag is wrong, a lot of people just don't rate him.

3th?? :o)

I'm all for Hughes staying. I can see why others aren't. I wouldn't say that the posters who don't want him here only want him out because of his ties with them lot though.

He's done some strange things with substitutions and the like but he hasn't played Fernandes at right-back since Liverpool or played Michael Ball for ages (sorry SLP) so he obviously learns from his mistakes. It's his first season here and he's bound to get a few things wrong while he gets to know the capabilities and the limits to his squad and he can't know everything about the players just from what they do in training.
What he's brought in so far seems to have improved us on the whole and we're in a QF of a European competition, a place in next year's Waffa is a realistic possibility and it hasn't all been long-ball and kick shit out of our opponents like I feared it would be.
We haven't had a long bad run like we did last season but we've been inconsistent and that's our major downfall. Sort that out and he could bring us a bit of glory.
Though there are days I wonder if I've got it all wrong and it's usually after an away game.

After the Sunderland game we where 3rd! I know it seems odd, but true(I think a number of teams had only played 2 games and we where 5th following the next match, but anyway). I think its fair to say has bought well, and we have maintained a pretty level performance(when it comes to points)throughout the season, that being said we will probably end up with double figures less points than last year.

 

[Soulboy]

I can only speak for myself, though I believe that others think the same, when I say that I do not give a flying fcuk about his past. He gets my full support when I'm at the match, but I see no harm in questioning his ability on a message board on the evidence I've seen on the pitch. In fact the only harm that arises is when we turn on each other on here instead of accepting that we will have different opinions and having a civilised debate/argument about it.

I'd say I'm agreement with the sentiments of this post.

My grievance is to do with the fact he's 'learning on the job' about managing a club with huge potential.

Pearce was vilified for no less a thing on this forum.

This club has had huge potential for over thirty years. The only difference now is that some City fans have lost the plot because ADUG have bought us over. Now success has to be instant and we are in danger of becoming the clone of a certain club over the road who we vilify because of their arrogance and greed.

I am sure there are quite a few who won't be happy until we are all munching on prawn sandwiches.

You really are obsessed by the Rag fuckers aren't you?

Every post you have to mention them...

 

[scorer]

Even if we win the competition. Fookin hell!!

Do you realise what you just said there?

Do you have some kind of alarm for every time I post about Mark Hughes? Yes I realise EXACTLY what I said thank you very much. Now tell me why beating mostly below average teams across Europe is gonna see me change my mind about a manager I just don't rate? My ambitions for City are to be winning the league and competing properly in the champions league; Hughes will not do that regardless of whether we win this cup or not!

Do YOU realise what I've just said or are we just gonna keep going round in circles?

Are you two married??

 

[Cheltblue]

I actually believe Mark Hughes is a quality kinda guy, i do have time for him in the way he represents himself and the club, and to that extent i would love to see him be the man taking City to the promised land of the ADUG.

But, can i ever realistically see Hughes taking City to a PL top spot, or a CL final. ha does not show me anything in the slightest that he has the ammunition to compete with the genuine big boys at home and abroad. Technically minded, he is completely in-effective on virtually every occassion we have needed him to show us his managerial credentials and no one can tell me that he has the team playing for him. Individually, we have some tremendous players but as a team, imo we are way off the 'mark'!

 

[city51]

He divides me so much I feel like a psysophrenic, one day I think he is getting it right the next I think he hasn't a clue ..

The signings he has made are all pretty solid , our sqaud is far better than it ever has been .

But then he takes Elano off on Sunday and brings on Kelvin ( straight line ) Etuhu etc etc

Are the pro days after home games and the anti after away games?

Yes

 

[Mike D]

I can accept and appriciate other opinions, but when people say he is doing a good job I just have to sigh. Yes you may want him to stay as you see potential and you want stability and think that can help, but arguments about him doing a good job is silly and really makes it hard to take you serious.

It is a statement that just is wrong - different opinions or not.

Talking about something different, I think our and the clubs mentality has to change, for instance that laid back oh well another mediocre season is ok, we have all the time in the world to be the best. I could appriciate that mentality before, but it is really time to step up the game if City ever wants to succeed. That is an opinion, thinking Hughes is doing a good job IS NOT.

Don't be so fucking simplistic!

Hughes IS doing a good job. And you can sigh all you want at that. I can see what he is trying to do to the club from top to bottom. The reason we had a bad start to the season is because of the massive culture shock our overpaid, lazy arse professionals had when they actually had to get out of their comfort zone and do more in training than a couple of shuttle runs and a kick about. All the stories about Hughes falling out with players are true in my opinion, but only because we as a club (including the playing staff) have been stuck in a mentality for 30 odd years that is far too comfortable for them. Hughes was bold enough to change this regardless of who he upset.

He stuck to his guns and now it seems the players have come round to it. Thre is a DEFINITE improvement since Christmas in our performance and fitness levels. His signings have been excellent and all have this work ethic that very few of the squad he inherited had. Another couple of transfer windows and we will have an excellent squad. Of that I have no doubt.

Your narrow view of "Oh look at his record on the pitch, it's not even as good as Sven's" or "We need to accept better or we'll never get anywhere" is horribly short sighted and thekind of attitude that will see us replacing manager after manager for years and years without becoming a force.

So sorry, your statement of Hughes not doing a good job being a fact, with respect is a load of bollocks.

What a load of bollox here's the cold hard facts

Hughes inherited a top 10 side and also one which had qualified for UEFA cup through the back door
Without the UEFA cup run this would have been totally pointless season and MH would have been shown door by now

Having ripped the heart out of the team Sven built to the tune £150m and our expected league position is expecte to be 10th exacly the same posion that Sven achieved on shoe string of budget in comparison to MH but we have made PROGRESS

Granted Hughes has brought in some good players if you can relate that to the fact that Sven couldn't find these TYPE of players

The club have taken the classic route of we think we have a displine problem so lets get a tough manager in to sort things out.

Agreed changing managers is not the right way to build success BUT you have to have the the right manager in the first place to create that success. There is no clear evidense to suggest that this is going to change under MH no matter how much time he gets

Finally Played 55 won 19 Lost 19 Drawn 7 I rest my case

 

[Rammy Blue]

considering that i was saying that Zab should be playing DM about 10 games before Hughes moved him there, maybe i should apply for the managerial role?

i would hardly class it as a defining moment....

anyway having read this thread the same pov's still apply - everyone against Hughes gets accused of it being because he is an ex-rag and everyone pro Hughes goes for the stability line.

it still amazes me that people can't understand the reasons that people like Jay and Cheesy put forward - all we want is the best for the blues but some of us think that it will be achieved by having a "world class" manager in place rather than someone who might turn out to be a decent manager.

our owners showed their hand with the attempt to sign Kaka in Jan and as such i just don't for a single minute believe Hughes is the man to manage superstar names at our club - patience as they say is a virtue however ADUG want to be the best as quickly as possible and so i fully expect a change of manager in the summer.

 

[Kinkys Blue Socks]

I can accept and appriciate other opinions, but when people say he is doing a good job I just have to sigh. Yes you may want him to stay as you see potential and you want stability and think that can help, but arguments about him doing a good job is silly and really makes it hard to take you serious.

It is a statement that just is wrong - different opinions or not.

Talking about something different, I think our and the clubs mentality has to change, for instance that laid back oh well another mediocre season is ok, we have all the time in the world to be the best. I could appriciate that mentality before, but it is really time to step up the game if City ever wants to succeed. That is an opinion, thinking Hughes is doing a good job IS NOT.

Don't be so fucking simplistic!

Hughes IS doing a good job. And you can sigh all you want at that. I can see what he is trying to do to the club from top to bottom. The reason we had a bad start to the season is because of the massive culture shock our overpaid, lazy arse professionals had when they actually had to get out of their comfort zone and do more in training than a couple of shuttle runs and a kick about. All the stories about Hughes falling out with players are true in my opinion, but only because we as a club (including the playing staff) have been stuck in a mentality for 30 odd years that is far too comfortable for them. Hughes was bold enough to change this regardless of who he upset.

He stuck to his guns and now it seems the players have come round to it. Thre is a DEFINITE improvement since Christmas in our performance and fitness levels. His signings have been excellent and all have this work ethic that very few of the squad he inherited had. Another couple of transfer windows and we will have an excellent squad. Of that I have no doubt.

Your narrow view of "Oh look at his record on the pitch, it's not even as good as Sven's" or "We need to accept better or we'll never get anywhere" is horribly short sighted and thekind of attitude that will see us replacing manager after manager for years and years without becoming a force.

So sorry, your statement of Hughes not doing a good job being a fact, with respect is a load of bollocks.

What a load of bollox here's the cold hard facts

Hughes inherited a top 10 side and also one which had qualified for UEFA cup through the back door
Without the UEFA cup run this would have been totally pointless season and MH would have been shown door by now

Having ripped the heart out of the team Sven built to the tune £150m and our expected league position is expecte to be 10th exacly the same posion that Sven achieved on shoe string of budget in comparison to MH but we have made PROGRESS

Granted Hughes has brought in some good players if you can relate that to the fact that Sven couldn't find these TYPE of players

The club have taken the classic route of we think we have a displine problem so lets get a tough manager in to sort things out.

Agreed changing managers is not the right way to build success BUT you have to have the the right manager in the first place to create that success. There is no clear evidense to suggest that this is going to change under MH no matter how much time he gets

Finally Played 55 won 19 Lost 19 Drawn 7 I rest my case

You can't rest your case on a load of shit!

Hardly any manager in the history of the game EVER, gets this many new players to gel this quickly and make a team successful straight away. I'm getting bored to the back teeth of people pedalling out the stats on our results. I will take notice of those stats when he has had the time necessary to be judged on it. And by that I mean next season.

I can see an improvement as the season has gone on., As can many many other sane fans. You've clearly made your mind up already regardless of what happens now. I am not saying for one minute that Huighes is the saviour. What I am saying is that you can't judge him not good enough alreay when we have had so much change in a short space of time.

Have some patience ffs, instead of "resting your case" after we haven't even completed a season of massive transition.

 

[Mike D]

I can accept and appriciate other opinions, but when people say he is doing a good job I just have to sigh. Yes you may want him to stay as you see potential and you want stability and think that can help, but arguments about him doing a good job is silly and really makes it hard to take you serious.

It is a statement that just is wrong - different opinions or not.

Talking about something different, I think our and the clubs mentality has to change, for instance that laid back oh well another mediocre season is ok, we have all the time in the world to be the best. I could appriciate that mentality before, but it is really time to step up the game if City ever wants to succeed. That is an opinion, thinking Hughes is doing a good job IS NOT.

Don't be so fucking simplistic!

Hughes IS doing a good job. And you can sigh all you want at that. I can see what he is trying to do to the club from top to bottom. The reason we had a bad start to the season is because of the massive culture shock our overpaid, lazy arse professionals had when they actually had to get out of their comfort zone and do more in training than a couple of shuttle runs and a kick about. All the stories about Hughes falling out with players are true in my opinion, but only because we as a club (including the playing staff) have been stuck in a mentality for 30 odd years that is far too comfortable for them. Hughes was bold enough to change this regardless of who he upset.

He stuck to his guns and now it seems the players have come round to it. Thre is a DEFINITE improvement since Christmas in our performance and fitness levels. His signings have been excellent and all have this work ethic that very few of the squad he inherited had. Another couple of transfer windows and we will have an excellent squad. Of that I have no doubt.

Your narrow view of "Oh look at his record on the pitch, it's not even as good as Sven's" or "We need to accept better or we'll never get anywhere" is horribly short sighted and thekind of attitude that will see us replacing manager after manager for years and years without becoming a force.

So sorry, your statement of Hughes not doing a good job being a fact, with respect is a load of bollocks.

What a load of bollox here's the cold hard facts

Hughes inherited a top 10 side and also one which had qualified for UEFA cup through the back door
Without the UEFA cup run this would have been totally pointless season and MH would have been shown door by now

Having ripped the heart out of the team Sven built to the tune £150m and our expected league position is expecte to be 10th exacly the same posion that Sven achieved on shoe string of budget in comparison to MH but we have made PROGRESS

Granted Hughes has brought in some good players if you can relate that to the fact that Sven couldn't find these TYPE of players

The club have taken the classic route of we think we have a displine problem so lets get a tough manager in to sort things out.

Agreed changing managers is not the right way to build success BUT you have to have the the right manager in the first place to create that success. There is no clear evidense to suggest that this is going to change under MH no matter how much time he gets

Finally Played 55 won 19 Lost 19 Drawn 7 I rest my case

You can't rest your case on a load of shit!

Hardly any manager in the history of the game EVER, gets this many new players to gel this quickly and make a team successful straight away. I'm getting bored to the back teeth of people pedalling out the stats on our results. I will take notice of those stats when he has had the time necessary to be judged on it. And by that I mean next season.

I can see an improvement as the season has gone on., As can many many other sane fans. You've clearly made your mind up already regardless of what happens now. I am not saying for one minute that Huighes is the saviour. What I am saying is that you can't judge him not good enough alreay when we have had so much change in a short space of time.

Have some patience ffs, instead of "resting your case" after we haven't even completed a season of massive transition.

The results don't tell lies regardless of how you wanna dress if up.

Apart from the type of players tell me where I've not stated the bleedin obvious.

Finally not a fact but I dont buy this transitional claptrap. IMO the only reason that we brought so many players in is due to the fact MH has been allowed to save his own arse had he not we'd be stairing relegation right in the face now. Evidense suggests that we've had to pay over the odds for doing so for the following
Bellars
Dejong
De Jong

 

[Kinkys Blue Socks]

The results don't tell lies regardless of how you wanna dress if up.

Apart from the type of players tell me where I've not stated the bleedin obvious.

Finally not a fact but I dont buy this transitional claptrap. IMO the only reason that we brought so many players in is due to the fact MH has been allowed to save his own arse had he not we'd be stairing relegation right in the face now. Evidense suggests that we've had to pay over the odds for doing so for the following
Bellars
Dejong
De Jong

This statement just goes to show that he can't win with some fans. Paranoid conspiracy theories of the highest order. What if he hadn't spent the money? You'd have been slagging him offfor not recognising the frailties in the squad!

And as for not acknowledging the massive transition, well I don't even know where to start with that one, and I don't think i'm gonna bother. If you think that it's not been a factor then i'm wasting my time. You're already a lost cause.