Lesson learned eh,Bob?

bizzbo said:
Rösler's Dad said:
One caveat is that Hughes' team very rarely pressed high up the pitch IMO.

conceeded... with the counter-caveat being that I was led to believe that was what hughes was after ;)

Really? That is interesting. Happy to hear that if true, I could never understand why we conceded so much space - above all it seemed daft when we had tenacious bastards like Bellers, SWP, Tevez and Ireland who would've made hay winning the ball high up the pitch. Would go some way to reassuring me that Hughes has a bright future.
 
The lesson is to give the players the freedom to err.

Mancini first tried the error-minimizing approach. Worked to some extent. But in the end, he lets go. Or the players get loose.

There are only three styles of play:

1. with brain / discipline

2. with diligence / patience

3. with heart / inspiration

You can mix, but in the end you have to make a choice and stick to it.

Against the likes of Wigan and Burnley [under Law] we beat them to a T because we play the same styles only more classy.

Against Everton and Moyes who actually are very wise we stuck because thats how it often goes the wise beats the brave, but the brave beats the rest!

Look at Federer his record's negative against Nadal, Djorkovic and Murray but he's still easily number one!

With this in mind, I suggest we keep calm in view of Birmingham and Aston Villa. They are both very disciplined and everton-like, only not that sharp. Against MU is not difficult because MU is too much of a mixture can't say which style they play nowadays.

If we can at least draw Birmingham and Villa, then fourth is ours.
 
lostgalaxy said:
The lesson is to give the players the freedom to err.

Mancini first tried the error-minimizing approach. Worked to some extent. But in the end, he lets go. Or the players get loose.

There are only three styles of play:

1. with brain / discipline

2. with diligence / patience

3. with heart / inspiration

You can mix, but in the end you have to make a choice and stick to it.

Against the likes of Wigan and Burnley [under Law] we beat them to a T because we play the same styles only more classy.

Against Everton and Moyes who actually are very wise we stuck because thats how it often goes the wise beats the brave, but the brave beats the rest!

Look at Federer his record's negative against Nadal, Djorkovic and Murray but he's still easily number one!

With this in mind, I suggest we keep calm in view of Birmingham and Aston Villa. They are both very disciplined and everton-like, only not that sharp. Against MU is not difficult because MU is too much of a mixture can't say which style they play nowadays.

If we can at least draw Birmingham and Villa, then fourth is ours.

fascinating. I agree to this extent. there will be no repeat against birmingham, because, yes, they are extremely disciplined, but more importantly, mcleish is far too wiley to make the elementary mistakes that Laws did today. we thrashed them because the of the gap between the defenders and the midfielders. adebayor and tevez had space to turn and run at them, and bellamy had the space to run inside to recieve short passes. mcleish will pack his midfield and leave no such space at all. we will probably end up having to go very wide again to try and tease out the gaps.

but overall I think I subscribe to a different theory on mancini's tactical progression with the team. it's not that he 'tried' the error minimising approach and then dumped it. rather that he implemented a coaching process. it began with the drills designed to instill a compact shape to the team, addressing the enormous problems that led to so many goals conceded under hughes, namely, the that defenders (and midfielders) were running forwards when they should be going backwards, out wide when they should be converging, generally, out of sync with each other, the back four spread out across the pitch, leading to unpredictable gaps between the two centre halves, between the centre halves and full backs, between centre midfield and the defence, between the wide players and the full backs. as the implementation of that progresses, and maintaining the proper shape became second nature, then you gradually unleash the creativity and movement of the midfielders and attackers, as they start to display a shared understanding of when 'free' movement is desirable, and when it's neccessary to hold back, or cover for a team mate.

it's like tennis, yes. if even a top player employs a new coach, he may insist on the player concentrating on basic defensive movements in match situations, before progressing to working on seeking out opportunities for winning shots.

the rules are there to be broken. but you have to be able to follow the rules very well before you can choose the right moment to do so. otherwise, the temptation is to seek a short-cut to success by breaking a rule out of habit, regardless of the tactical situation, leaving your opponent an obvious angle of attack that he can exploit time after time. you could call that state of affairs 'papering over the cracks'. you may well be dangerous to your opponent, but you are a danger to yourself as well.
 
bizzbo why don't we two think of a scheme to get rid of Brian Kidd and share his salary. We'll keep Mancini unless you like to go to the press conferences.

Kidding but yours a revealing post. Tks.
 
anymore than 2sheiks said:
Gelsons Dad said:
26 Dec H Stoke City W 2 - 0
28 Dec A Wolverhampton Wanderers W 0 - 3
11 Jan H Blackburn Rovers W 4 - 1
16 Jan A Everton L 2 - 0
31 Jan H Portsmouth W 2 - 0
06 Feb A Hull City L 2 - 1
09 Feb H Bolton Wanderers W 2 - 0
16 Feb A Stoke City D 1 - 1
21 Feb H Liverpool D 0 - 0
27 Feb A Chelsea W 2 - 4
14 Mar A Sunderland D 1 - 1
21 Mar A Fulham W 1 - 2
24 Mar H Everton L 0 - 2
29 Mar H Wigan Athletic W 3 - 0
03 Apr A Burnley W 1 - 6

Yeah you're right. He didn't have a clue before you put him straight!

Dick.
Listen prick,in no way I am having a go at Bob,I want him to stay.All I'm pointing out is he's having an education in how the premier league differs from the Italian.I am saying that he's learned now that with the quality we have,we can do more damage by putting out a more attacking line-up.I was paying him a compliment.By the way gelsons dad,don't hide behind your pc throwing insults,we can arrange a meet and you can do it to my face.

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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Only on the day of our best Prem result away, and top four place would our fans engage in verbal or physical fisticuffs.

Makes me wonder what some would do if we won the Champions League?


This..^^^^^^^^^^^ ffs chill out and enjoy lads.
 
anymore than 2sheiks said:
I know it was only Wigan and Burnley,but maybe Bob has realised now that 1 defensive midfielder is enough.9 goals for,1 against.
I think Kidd is having a bigger influence,shame it wasn't a bit earlier.
He at last had the sense to play Ned & while Burnley weren't very good the pace & skill of our attackers was awesome,let's hope the penny's dropped & we go for it from now till the end of the season.
 
Yesterday was a great day.The only fly in the ointment for me was,starting a post complimenting Bob and some posters reading it as critisism of him,then throwing out personal abuse.I have supported Bob from day1 and he has surpassed what I thought he would achieve.(New country,having to hit the ground running etc).The only reason I reacted the way I did was because I have seen other posters put out reasonable points or questions and then get called "dicks,knobs,pricks,twats",when all they're doing is giving their point of view which they are entitled to.The mistake I made was reacting and lowering myself to their level.
 
bluemanc said:
anymore than 2sheiks said:
I know it was only Wigan and Burnley,but maybe Bob has realised now that 1 defensive midfielder is enough.9 goals for,1 against.
I think Kidd is having a bigger influence,shame it wasn't a bit earlier.
He at last had the sense to play Ned & while Burnley weren't very good the pace & skill of our attackers was awesome,let's hope the penny's dropped & we go for it from now till the end of the season.

100% spot on.
 

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