let me tell you a story...

[wahablue]

As a kid I woke up on Christmas Day and City had sold David Wagstaff,so nowt surprises me.

 

[Julie]

Nothing against Tolmie or any 'ITK' but im with GStar on this, wasn't Tolmie the guy who said categorically Rooney to us was a flat out done deal? only then for him to sign a new contract 3 days later and commit his long term future to the rags, kind of went tits up that prediction didnt it.

Like i said im with GStar, theres no one on the inside who posts on here for my money, anyone can use google and add a bit of spin.

 

[Blue-Blood]

Obviously being privy to this for the past week it has sunk in a little - 99% of the opinion is knee jerk, understandably, however take a few days and a clearer picture will put most of your minds at ease. One thing you can't question is Carlitos desire on the field, even with all this going on I fully expect him to continue his blistering form, not a chance this will be allowed to be resolved until the summer, by which time the face of Manchester City will of changed forever.......

Lets see if he walks when he see's the reaction to our first trophy in 34 years

its not ideal but we hold all the power here

I am not happy with the situation but am much more confident we can survive it than I would have been had this happened in the summer. I support whatever stance the club and Mancini take.

I do have two main concerns though. One stems from the knee-jerk reactions you mention. I worry what the overall crowd reaction will be to this. I won't boo Carlos, I won't cheer him either though and I suspect the most audible response to him is going to be a negative one.

My second concern, probably more importantly, is how the rest of the team react to him. I think we'll do better as a team without him now. Sometimes there's no way back, although I remain open minded until the situation is resolved.

Let's just hope the fans take a leaf out of the club's book, conduct themselves with dignity and fully support the team who got the 3 points to take us to joint top.

 

[Bluemooner 1]

Is it a money issue with Tevez?? or has his agent fell out with the club and advised him to look for another club??

In other words. a case of the tail wagging the dog??

Reading between the lines, I do get this impression.

 

[blueplan]

I hope some posters will appreciate why I did not want to drop a hand grenade re Carlos situation earlier in the week.

The Kia Joorabachian and Apocaplyse Now in the transfer threads were just pointers, City were and are ahead of the game on this.

Many things are ambigious (admittedly frustrating) for a variety of reasons and personal relationships.

Obviously, blues will be hurting - but please keep the faith with both the club and Carlos.

Joorabachian makes Paul Stretford look like a rank amateur.

There are elements to Carlos' displeasure, but it comes down to one cold truth MONEY.

A Rooney situation in many aspects. Tevez has such a close relationship with his agent - best man at his wedding, godfather to his children.

There is plenty of things to run on this. Tevez's situation is unique in that for the first time in his career, it is US who own him.

Keep the faith and a brighter January will emerge around the corner. Worst case scenario, it will be put to bed until the summer.

Cogently expressed, TH.
Very sanguine to confirm what I believe the sky is blue for us.
The ball is in our court.
We can play hardball since Tevez & his agent wants to give us a royal shakedown.

Perhaps we should do it to set a precedent so that every dog & his agent does not come up to our tree to piss on it!

 

[meeesh]

I hope some posters will appreciate why I did not want to drop a hand grenade re Carlos situation earlier in the week.

The Kia Joorabachian and Apocaplyse Now in the transfer threads were just pointers, City were and are ahead of the game on this.

Many things are ambigious (admittedly frustrating) for a variety of reasons and personal relationships.

Obviously, blues will be hurting - but please keep the faith with both the club and Carlos.

Joorabachian makes Paul Stretford look like a rank amateur.

There are elements to Carlos' displeasure, but it comes down to one cold truth MONEY.

A Rooney situation in many aspects. Tevez has such a close relationship with his agent - best man at his wedding, godfather to his children.

There is plenty of things to run on this. Tevez's situation is unique in that for the first time in his career, it is US who own him.

Keep the faith and a brighter January will emerge around the corner. Worst case scenario, it will be put to bed until the summer.

This statement from yourself could be the end of your reign on bluemoon,as an ITK,you fill so many with hope and aspirations with your riddles,which to me is fine,but many will feel your a long way wide of the mark on this one.

Yes we are all aware its about money....end of really,anymore riddles will just have split opinions on here,and will also lead to hundreds of rows.......mmmmmm lets see

 

[simon23]

i keep reading from diferent posters that we are a different club and that we are in control etc etc etc and at the moment im inclined to agree....the club are handling it in the correct way

but RM now needs to pull out of the bag a fergie style offensive and get tev to realise that leaving would be a huge mistake as there is no doubt in my mind that without tevez we are a hugely weaker side and no matter how much money we have we would struggle to replace him....i cannt think of a player id rather have that we can realistically get.

its ok for everyone on here to keep saying that the club is bigger than one player (and they are right) but we do need tev to stay...he is the fulcrum to our team.

if its about money then thats fine....we can negotiate that...if its about the relationship between the player and RM (and that is a distinct possibility also) then we have a problem! I know we have to support the manager but it again brings into question the way RM does things...why do a number of players have a problem with the way RM manages?.....tev does bellamy did, ireland did, petrov alluded to it, there is obviously a probelm between RM and ade and even viera has come out and said things....In no way do i want RM to go but there has to be something that RM is doign to alienate certain players.....does he also need to look at how he does things and maybe change slightly??????

 

[SWP's back]

Nothing against Tolmie or any 'ITK' but im with GStar on this, wasn't Tolmie the guy who said categorically Rooney to us was a flat out done deal? only then for him to sign a new contract 3 days later and commit his long term future to the rags, kind of went tits up that prediction didnt it.

Like i said im with GStar, theres no one on the inside who posts on here for my money, anyone can use google and add a bit of spin.

No one on the inside but perhaps with associations of someone on the inside.

As I asked earlier in the thread, can you explain TH Kia thread on Monday when City were officially stating Tevez was happy etc? If you can, please tell me as I would happily been convinced otherwise.

I did also remember you questioning TH when he posted the day before the derby saying Fergie was lying about having no fit players (as TH correctly predicted ALL the Utd players that were said to be unavailable, as actually playing - you did say you would hold your hands up if you were wrong, did you?).

There is no doubt TH gets information from someone on the inside and posts in good faith. But in football, as in every aspect of life, when it comes to the time of "hey lads hey", people change their mind and back out of plans that have been best laid, this can leave egg on face.

I steer clear of the transfer forum for that very reason, but that is now the last 2 times I have seen TH predict something that the media had not picked up on, and been proven correct within days. Gstar is right to say that ITK's shouldn't be relied on as gospel and anyone that does is probably foolish, but Gstar was also saying TH may be off the mark back on monday in the Kia thread.<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:20 pm --<br /><br />

i keep reading from diferent posters that we are a different club and that we are in control etc etc etc and at the moment im inclined to agree....the club are handling it in the correct way

but RM now needs to pull out of the bag a fergie style offensive and get tev to realise that leaving would be a huge mistake as there is no doubt in my mind that without tevez we are a hugely weaker side and no matter how much money we have we would struggle to replace him....i cannt think of a player id rather have that we can realistically get.

its ok for everyone on here to keep saying that the club is bigger than one player (and they are right) but we do need tev to stay...he is the fulcrum to our team.

if its about money then thats fine....we can negotiate that...if its about the relationship between the player and RM (and that is a distinct possibility also) then we have a problem! I know we have to support the manager but it again brings into question the way RM does things...why do a number of players have a problem with the way RM manages?.....tev does bellamy did, ireland did, petrov alluded to it, there is obviously a probelm between RM and ade and even viera has come out and said things....In no way do i want RM to go but there has to be something that RM is doign to alienate certain players.....does he also need to look at how he does things and maybe change slightly??????

Interesting post as I can't decide whether I really agree or disagree.

RM's style is aloof and he is a perfectionist, he has managed very difficult stars before Balo, Materazzi, Ibra etc and had success. The main problems (I wouldn't class AJ as being a big problem for now) seem to come from those that were here before RM arrived. I very much doubt RM will change, the word perfectionist keeps coming up from those that know Mancini well from his playing days right through to his managerial roles and that can make some people "prickly" for want of a better word.

There can only be one winner and one boss at a club (one Alpha male in the pride so to speak) and RM has shown (to me atleast) that he has all the skill needed to forge a very impressive side. I tend to agree with another thread on here and say that the contract that should be extended or improved is the managers.

Carlos should not be able to negotiate on his terms, when he wants. If he wants a pay rise and extension, play well all season (as he is now), cut the back chat and help us win something come May. If he does that, he can have what he wants.

 

[Julie]

Nothing against Tolmie or any 'ITK' but im with GStar on this, wasn't Tolmie the guy who said categorically Rooney to us was a flat out done deal? only then for him to sign a new contract 3 days later and commit his long term future to the rags, kind of went tits up that prediction didnt it.

Like i said im with GStar, theres no one on the inside who posts on here for my money, anyone can use google and add a bit of spin.

No one on the inside but perhaps with associations of someone on the inside.

As I asked earlier in the thread, can you explain TH Kia thread on Monday when City were officially stating Tevez was happy etc? If you can, please tell me as I would happily been convinced otherwise.

I did also remember you questioning TH when he posted the day before the derby saying Fergie was lying about having no fit players (as TH correctly predicted ALL the Utd players that were said to be unavailable, as actually playing - you did say you would hold your hands up if you were wrong, did you?).

There is no doubt TH gets information from someone on the inside and posts in good faith. But in football, as in every aspect of life, when it comes to the time of "hey lads hey", people change their mind and back out of plans that have been best laid, this can leave egg on face.

I steer clear of the transfer forum for that very reason, but that is now the last 2 times I have seen TH predict something that the media had not picked up on, and been proven correct within days. Gstar is right to say that ITK's shouldn't be relied on as gospel and anyone that does is probably foolish, but Gstar was also saying TH may be off the mark back on monday in the Kia thread.

Yes i did hold my hands up after the derby (i think anyway if not i do now) but that turned out to be typical rasherchops lies, you dont really need to be ITK to have a guess that he was doing his usual lying tramp routine on that score but yeah on that instance i got it wrong hands up, but as i said didn't Tolmie say we were 100% signing Rooney only for that to be proven wrong about a day or two later? it cuts both ways surely?

I just have a pet hate and thats the ITK stuff, it like someone feels they have to be superior to the rest of us mere mortals by telling us they have contacts etc, nothing ive seen so far on here suggests to me he's iTK, as i say i dont mean that to be an attack on him or anyone i just read so many times how someone has inside info on something only for it to turn out to be trash.

 

[flb]

i keep reading from diferent posters that we are a different club and that we are in control etc etc etc and at the moment im inclined to agree....the club are handling it in the correct way

but RM now needs to pull out of the bag a fergie style offensive and get tev to realise that leaving would be a huge mistake as there is no doubt in my mind that without tevez we are a hugely weaker side and no matter how much money we have we would struggle to replace him....i cannt think of a player id rather have that we can realistically get.

its ok for everyone on here to keep saying that the club is bigger than one player (and they are right) but we do need tev to stay...he is the fulcrum to our team.

if its about money then thats fine....we can negotiate that...if its about the relationship between the player and RM (and that is a distinct possibility also) then we have a problem! I know we have to support the manager but it again brings into question the way RM does things...why do a number of players have a problem with the way RM manages?.....tev does bellamy did, ireland did, petrov alluded to it, there is obviously a probelm between RM and ade and even viera has come out and said things....In no way do i want RM to go but there has to be something that RM is doign to alienate certain players.....does he also need to look at how he does things and maybe change slightly??????

There are obvious difficulties between Tevez & Mancini and have been since Mancini arrived at the club,you say a number of players have a problem with the way he manages,thankfully the majority have or will leave the club in the not too distant future.

There are different ways of managing players and some wont like the way he does things so thats tuff titties-there are also a lot of players who have flourished under Mancini-with evidence on the pitch to prove it.

A lone striker will score a big percentage of the teams goals-but wont those chances still be created for another striker in the near future?Tevez in a lot of ways is a very selfish striker,hes guilty on numerous occasions of fluffing it infront of goal and often ignores a much simpler pass to a team mate for his own glory.

Listen,hes a great player who will be missed but not as much as some are making out,with the transfer window looming for once the timing could just be right for MCFC.