lets be honest

I think most of us knew we weren't on the level of Bayern yet. Not by a long shot. Obviously we are still working on a lot of issues and are nowhere near the finished article. However, the goals we conceded were so soft, Hart would expect to have saved two of them, and god knows what Clichy was doing! But we move on, and it is a good lesson to learn! We are still in a good position in the group, we knew we would have a battle with CSKA so lets learn and improve!
 
Eds said:
They did a number on us, end of. What was most disappointing however was the stats at the end of the first half. They double he amount of possession but had run further than us!!! Our work rate was poor and shows that if you want to compete with the best not just in Europe but in the Premiership we have to increase our work rate. We need to be fitter, we need to hunt the ball down in packs and our movement need to be a lot better. We were too static all over the park. FFS even Ribery and Robben were grafting and we made Boateng look half decent.
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Not sure why we were massively outscored on the fitness scale to that extent.

Surely we would be up with the best in terms of ensuring our running power with all the money we have to devote to the football department and no FA imposed cap on its spending.

We couldn't ask any Bayern player because they were too far ahead / away the whole time from any of our players to smell their breath.

You would have thought we were on the jungle juice the night before big time which could explain a few things.
 
Bayern Munich are a very good side, They showed last night exactly why they are European Champions. Straight from the first whistle they were on top of us, They pushed us high up the pitch, Their hunger and desire to chase and win possession of the ball is outstanding, When they won the ball back they held onto possession and made it look so easy (The extra man Phillip Lahm in midfield helped massively). As for City we gave the ball away far too easy when we were in possession, We didn't push high enough up the pitch and our work rate was nowhere near Bayern Munich's. We have a long way to go to try and compete in this competition.
 
mammutly said:
They weren't as good as Dortmund were against us last season
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bayern and dortmund have proven how superior german football is at present , but we have signed some of the best players in europe in recent years and we looked miles away on wednesday , no doubt we will finish top 4 , but our european ambitions have been put into perspective , If we get to the quarter finals it will be considered a huge success , theres a long way to go , but i believe the sheik will keep on backing our club until we win the champs league . But dont forget we are know playing madrid,milan,bayern,barca,juventus,ajax not gillingham,stockport,lincoln,bury, , we have come a long way , maybe some people should wind their neck in , and enjoy the ride ,we could have been a club like portsmouth when thaksin did a runner , count your blessings , ctid.
 
gmckennasell said:
mammutly said:
They weren't as good as Dortmund were against us last season
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bayern and dortmund have proven how superior german football is at present , but we have signed some of the best players in europe in recent years and we looked miles away on wednesday , no doubt we will finish top 4 , but our european ambitions have been put into perspective , If we get to the quarter finals it will be considered a huge success , theres a long way to go , but i believe the sheik will keep on backing our club until we win the champs league . But dont forget we are know playing madrid,milan,bayern,barca,juventus,ajax not gillingham,stockport,lincoln,bury, , we have come a long way , maybe some people should wind their neck in , and enjoy the ride ,we could have been a club like portsmouth when thaksin did a runner , count your blessings , ctid.
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No doubt? It's wide open this season - anything could happen. We have the best squad by a mile, but we're not even close to getting the best out of it.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
gmckennasell said:
mammutly said:
They weren't as good as Dortmund were against us last season
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bayern and dortmund have proven how superior german football is at present , but we have signed some of the best players in europe in recent years and we looked miles away on wednesday , no doubt we will finish top 4 , but our european ambitions have been put into perspective , If we get to the quarter finals it will be considered a huge success , theres a long way to go , but i believe the sheik will keep on backing our club until we win the champs league . But dont forget we are know playing madrid,milan,bayern,barca,juventus,ajax not gillingham,stockport,lincoln,bury, , we have come a long way , maybe some people should wind their neck in , and enjoy the ride ,we could have been a club like portsmouth when thaksin did a runner , count your blessings , ctid.
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No doubt? It's wide open this season - anything could happen. We have the best squad by a mile, but we're not even close to getting the best out of it.
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I am not a betting man but I wouldn't be putting any hard earned on a top four for us this season.

Any way lets get over Everton first shall we.
 
We didn't help ourselves at times last night but Bayern were still awesome. It was just like watching Barca in that first season Pep managed them when they won everything. It was nigh on impossible to know what, if any, formation they were playing at times because they were swarming all over us whenever we had the ball and then broke with devastating pace once they won it. Even when we did press them they invariably sucked us in and ended up playing round us.
 
We were beaten by a team who less than 6 months ago beat Barcelona 7-0 on aggregate and who have been in 3 of the last 4 Champions league finals. Sure, we underperformed and contributed heavily to all their goals but they're just a great side, who I suspect would beat us and any other English team 7 times out of 10. We need to improve dramatically before we can compete with a team like this.
 
Just watched the first half again and watching Yaya in particular the guy just jogged around the pitch all first half. There was a reason he was sold by Barca and that is because he doesn't work at closing people down when the opposition have the ball. Now I'm not saying we should sell him, or anything like that, but if a team is pressing us high then he should be dropped, and harder working players should be in his place.

The fact we couldn't get a foothold in the game in the first half apart from the first 5 minutes, then led to no service at all for the front players.
 
Jimfv1 said:
Just watched the first half again and watching Yaya in particular the guy just jogged around the pitch all first half. There was a reason he was sold by Barca and that is because he doesn't work at closing people down when the opposition have the ball. Now I'm not saying we should sell him, or anything like that, but if a team is pressing us high then he should be dropped, and harder working players should be in his place.

The fact we couldn't get a foothold in the game in the first half apart from the first 5 minutes, then led to no service at all for the front players.
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Our front two were often in our final third just to see if they could touch the pigskin (LOL) but like the rest more often than not they couldn't get near it.
 
let's all convince ourselves that bayern are somehow off the scale and losing to them was inevitable. Seems our players had this mindset too. Well let me tell a different version of events, we were out thought and out fought by a team who individually weren't much superior at all but who collectively were prepared to buy into the coaches methods and apply themselves in a manner that made sure they took a stranglehold on the game early and didn't let up go. not too disimilar to the first 20 mins in bayern 2 years ago, only we didn't get the early goal or the penalty which our play deserved. There's a couple of points about that game too that are all too familiar Hart parrying the ball into the strikers path and dzeko misfiring or failing to control the ball.

starting 11s from that infamous night.
Bayern Munich: Neuer, Rafinha, Van Buyten, Boateng, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Gustavo, Muller, Kroos, Ribery, Gomez.
City:
Hart, Richards, Kompany, Toure, Clichy, Nasri, Barry,
Toure Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko.
 
We can be honest about that too that Bayern will face teams this season with nowhere near as good squads ( for instance in their league) as City's that will make it for them very hard to win...

We made i easy for them, Robben expected harder match, it was easy for them.

Still remember in 2011 when the CL draw was made there was a short video showing the reaction of the draw when City got into the group next to Bayern, Napoli, Villarreal...

He at that moment probably thought "ohh no just not City, they have fantastic players, oh not them".

Since that we became a team in Europe as bit of a laughing stock, top teams still expect hard matches against us and then they say it was easy...

Same last year, Dortmund pretty sure expected hard and tough matches against us, and they were unlucky not to get all 6 points against us.
Mourinho said himself he dont know how a top team like City performs so bad in CL.
 
The most annoying thing about last night (not counting the ineptitude of our performance or the painfully slow changes by Pellegrini) was that, yes; we got a severe chasing all over the pitch last night. But the goals we gave them were a bloody disgrace. Two bad mistakes by Hart and Clichy caught dozing. Bayern didn't have to work that hard, or rip us apart with fantastic skill, for their goals. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
 
there is no doubting that bayern are the best team in European football as was evident last night

However

for me MP got tactics all wrong, should have packed the midfield and not let them play, i felt sorry for Yaya and Fernandinho, spent 70 minutes chasing shadows and then as soon as we make the changes which packed the midfield it was a different game totally. Also for me Milner should have started, David Alaba is arguably the best right back in European football and was always going to match navas for pace which he did and then as happened last night navas was a bit lost for ideas, bit shocked at how wrong MP got his tactics and why he waited till the 70th minute to rectify his mistake. Bitterly disappointed last night as i feel that with the right tactics we could have given them a right game as we did in the last 20 minutes.
 
It was a worry that everyone in the ground knew we needed to make a change at half-time and it didn't happen.
 
I will wrap all the previous pages analysis up in one little sentence "Pellegrini is a tactical cabbage !!" Goodnight and sleep well .
 
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