lets be honest

[Rösler von Stretfordbömber]

Yeah, as Sam just said - what is upsetting is not so much getting outclassed by that Uber-team today. It is that we were to all appearances utterly bereft of ideas prior to the SEVENTY MINUTE MARK.

I mean, the homeless guy huffing glue out of a paper bag in the alley outside my building looked up from that around the 10 minute mark and suggested reinforcing the midfield. That's how obvious it was.

I kind of thought the people on here were quite mad who were all "Pellers out" after the Stoke debacle (also an example of having no ideas). I can't quite get on board with that Chavski-esque vibe myself just yet, but today's display was immensely troubling. And I would guess if I were writing the cheques to our players in the immense amounts said cheques are being written I would certainly want some answers at this point.

 

[cleavers]

Bottom line is this , we under achieved last year and we are massively under achieving so far this year.

Assuming you are talking the CL only how are we "massively" under achieving so far this year ? we've won away, and not too surprisingly lost to the european champions at home, yes we were abject tonight, but against the best club side in the world. CSKA are nothing special, if we under perform against them, then I will say we are "massively" under achieving.

 

[sam-caddick]

I think we need to take minimum of four points off Moscow, if we lose there but win at home and share three points that is no good at all.

We both will play Bayern when they are likely to have qualified so both teams could beat Bayern and both teams should take full points of Plzen, then again we might have an upset.

We could have a situation where us and Moscow finish on the same points if share three points each, we don't want to risk any head to head or goal difference ruling.

It would not suprise me as well despite Bayern qualifying, they put a weak side out to Moscow and a tough side out to us so we get knocked out if ever the situation happened.

Bayern would rather kick us out over Moscow.

 

[unsworthblue]

yeah yeah yeah,we shoulda changed it blah blah blah,who to superman and his mates,look ,listen they are thsat much better,german football is far superior etc,we seem to have this supierority complex,totally misguided,we are miles behind the germans inmany respects

 

[cleavers]

It would not suprise me as well despite Bayern qualifying, they put a weak side out to Moscow and a tough side out to us so we get knocked out if ever the situation happened.

Bayern would rather kick us out over Moscow.

Probably true, but after tonight, I don't think they will worry that much about us getting through anyway. Lets hope CSKA don't get anything against Bayern in Moscow.

 

[mancincali]

Our work rate off the ball was appalling and our defensive set up when they had the ball was poor.

it's been like this all season and i'm starting to get annoyed of it. get rid of an overly defensive coach for one that doesn't bother to set us up for defense at all. we needed another man in defence desperately. rant over

 

[sam-caddick]

It would not suprise me as well despite Bayern qualifying, they put a weak side out to Moscow and a tough side out to us so we get knocked out if ever the situation happened.

Bayern would rather kick us out over Moscow.

Probably true, but after tonight, I don't think they will worry that much about us getting through anyway. Lets hope CSKA don't get anything against Bayern in Moscow.

In the long run we are the bigger threat I think.

Bayern should pick up 6 points from Plzen in the next two games and that should see them qualified, after that I don't see them trekking to Russia playing a full team, why would they?

With us though, and if we are level with points with Moscow going into to that last game or in a situation where us losing and Moscow winning means we will go out, Bayern for me will go full strength and try to put us out, especially with them being at home.

4 points is a must in the next two games, then a win against Plzen should see is through.

 

[Walkbustaxi]

I'll be honest.....

Having witnessed one of the best performances I've seen from City 2 weeks ago against united, I thought I witnessed one of our worst at the top level tonight.

Bayern were good, we knew that, but they made us look like a pub team for 60 minutes, shambolic is the most optimistic I could call us.

Manager, coaches, and players should be in at 8am tomorrow morning to analyse what went so badly wrong, it would probably take all day, instead unlike the majority who paid a lot of money to witness it, and will be in work at 8am, they'll get the day off.

Well said. I can't get my head around this season yet. Some games you struggle for man of the match as there's so many contenders then tonight it was a case of 'would the last one out please turn off the light' with more bad than good.

We've averaged more than 3 goals a game at home yet can't win away. We dominate possession and passing in some games but don't win, others we come off second best for possession yet win the game. We've gone from best defence in PL for 3 years to 12th but have maintained goal difference by suddenly become top scorers.

The closest I can remember us being so topsy turvy was the Brian Horton team.

 

[cleavers]

In the long run we are the bigger threat I think.

Bayern should pick up 6 points from Plzen in the next two games and that should see them qualified, after that I don't see them trekking to Russia playinga full team, why would they.

With us though, and if we are level with points with Moscow going into to that last game or in a situation where us losing and Moscow winning means we will go out, Bayern for me will go full strenght and try to put us out, especially with them being at home.

4 points is a must in the next two games, then a win against Plzen should see is through.

I agree, which is why I think we need to win in Moscow, if we do then I don't think we can be complacent in the 2 home games, that worrys me a little. Ultimately tonight's result should not affect us qualifying, most of us would have expected not to beat them, it was the manner of the defeat that was most worrying, and the lack of the manager changing things until it was far too late.

 

[unsworthblue]

i'm sick of the 'Manuel shoulda changed it brigade' for what?? we got outclassed by a team who are pure class,ie the best keeper to come along since Smichael,Lahm,Baoteng etc etc,i don't neeed to say again how good they are,lets take a lesson from it and improve,all you little precious souls who think coz some Muslims with loads of doe we are gonna win everything in sight,have a little wAKE UP CALL

 

[mancity1]

Yeah, as Sam just said - what is upsetting is not so much getting outclassed by that Uber-team today. It is that we were to all appearances utterly bereft of ideas prior to the SEVENTY MINUTE MARK.

I mean, the homeless guy huffing glue out of a paper bag in the alley outside my building looked up from that around the 10 minute mark and suggested reinforcing the midfield. That's how obvious it was.

I kind of thought the people on here were quite mad who were all "Pellers out" after the Stoke debacle (also an example of having no ideas). I can't quite get on board with that Chavski-esque vibe myself just yet, but today's display was immensely troubling. And I would guess if I were writing the cheques to our players in the immense amounts said cheques are being written I would certainly want some answers at this point.

They should donate their wage to charity or better still for us invest it some resources that will motivate them lift their work rate , tempo , intensity , ability to keep the ball for some period of time and the required invention that puts the opposition under some pressure at least whereby a mistake or two might be seized upon.

Not happy Pellers , what is going to do to put a smile on our faces outside putting up his hands and say I don't know.

I haven't seen us so unmotivated for the contest and the graft needed and on such a big occasion.

I thought these players actually played regularly for their country , maybe I am dreaming and we are really the side that played under Leslie in his first season in charge of us in disguise.

 

[daxman]

It would not suprise me as well despite Bayern qualifying, they put a weak side out to Moscow and a tough side out to us so we get knocked out if ever the situation happened.

Bayern would rather kick us out over Moscow.

Probably true, but after tonight, I don't think they will worry that much about us getting through anyway. Lets hope CSKA don't get anything against Bayern in Moscow.

Bayern plays in Moscow in the final game, no? If they are already thru, then they wouldn't play their best team. Which means we have to be thru by the time we go to Bayern.

We have to beat Moscow home and away.

 

[Skashion]

OK, I'm being honest:

They demolished us without breaking a sweat. We were piss poor and handed it to them on a silver platter.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

barcelona and the spanish team play like that all the time. im not impressed. it was too easy for them. we made it easy for them.

couple of my pals said same,i disagree,they are pure class,the best keeper,strong defence,etc etc etc,you dont need me to remind you all,fuck me everytime they got the ball they looked like scoring,fantastic performanceweare a million years away from them

How can you disagree? It was clear and obvious to see from about 45seconds into the game that they had 7 men in midfield as they played 3-7 or 3-2-5 with the ball and we were set up in a 4-4-2 formation; they had between 2 and 4 men free in midfield in space with all the time in the world to do what they wanted, for 70 fucking minutes.

It was tactical suicide.

I'm not saying we would have won the game if we'd played with any sort of sane formation, but at least it would have stopped us being overrun in midfield for a start.

It was unacceptably poor from Pellegrini, no matter how good Bayern München are - and they're the best team in the world which makes it worse that we'd be so tactically stupid.

 

[jared]

Tactically MP was naive and silly. Two upfront, only 2 CM and no pressing against the euro champions. Yeah right, mate. We rightfully got buttraped as I predicted in the pre match thread

 

[paulchapo]

Bayern are one outstanding side but for us it is worrying to say the least.We looked all over the place last night with nobody seeming to know what their role was or what they were supposed to be doing.No midfleld,a defence that looks like it is going to conceede evrytime someone attacks us and as a consequence our forwards too isolated.

Don't forget we conceeded three against Cardiff and Villa and with better finishing Hull could have scored three against us as well.

Forget the last twenty minutes last night Bayern had won the game and had eased off,it wasn't the fact we had improved!The warning signs have been there all season that when we played a top side we were due a tonking and as per the song we sing to the rags goes,''We're lucky bastards it could have been ten!''

Our mard arse players have really improved eh with a coach who now ''Understands'' them and puts an arm around their shoulder eh?I wish Mancini was still there snarling and cursing on the touchline and kicking their pampered arses!

 

[citymad]

barcelona and the spanish team play like that all the time. im not impressed. it was too easy for them. we made it easy for them.

couple of my pals said same,i disagree,they are pure class,the best keeper,strong defence,etc etc etc,you dont need me to remind you all,fuck me everytime they got the ball they looked like scoring,fantastic performanceweare a million years away from them

How can you disagree? It was clear and obvious to see from about 45seconds into the game that they had 7 men in midfield as they played 3-7 or 3-2-5 with the ball and we were set up in a 4-4-2 formation; they had between 2 and 4 men free in midfield in space with all the time in the world to do what they wanted, for 70 fucking minutes.

It was tactical suicide.

I'm not saying we would have won the game if we'd played with any sort of sane formation, but at least it would have stopped us being overrun in midfield for a start.

It was unacceptably poor from Pellegrini, no matter how good Bayern München are - and they're the best team in the world which makes it worse that we'd be so tactically stupid.

Agreed. I'd love to know what his reasoning was to not change things around when they were clearly over running us. It's quite concerning that he failed to see this. In fact it's one of this most stupid decisions I think I've seen. If I was a hack I'd ask that question just to see what he said.

 

[Gabriel]

Our rise has been fairly meteoric, but last night we saw quite how far behind the top teams we really are. The only genuine surprise was how we set up.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

i'm sick of the 'Manuel shoulda changed it brigade' for what?? we got outclassed by a team who are pure class,ie the best keeper to come along since Smichael,Lahm,Baoteng etc etc,i don't neeed to say again how good they are,lets take a lesson from it and improve,all you little precious souls who think coz some Muslims with loads of doe we are gonna win everything in sight,have a little wAKE UP CALL

You, then, have no idea. You're as tactically naive as Pellegrini was last night.

Plus you're missing everyone's point and are just getting carried away with yourself with shit posts like this^.

I don't think many expected us to win last night, I thought maybe we could get something out of the game if we can play like we did against United and they play like they did against Freiburg then maybe we'd have a slight chance of maybe getting a draw. I'm not being precious (shit, journalistic word) in seeing that we were tactically inept against the best team in the world which meat we had absolutely no chance of even getting 40% possession, never mind a draw.

Get your head out of your arse and give over with the stupid posts. "Brigade", a fucking "brigade"; get lost!

 

[IH8MUFC]

we lost to possibly the best team of all time, definately the best i have ever seen, since they have a great defence and world class attacking play, where the great barca team of a few years ago had world class attacking play with an average defence. they humilated most teams last year and would this year as well. so much doom and gloom on here would think we were bottom of league 2 or something.