Lewandoski

[LoveCity]

People ought not get their hopes up over the 'Dzeko to Dortmund' stuff. BVB are a bastion of fiscal prudence and, since their renaissance under Klopp, have built a team on practically nothing. The idea that they'd now go out and blow £20m-£25m + >£100,000 on a player who even most here believe to be, shall we say, limited, sounds like pure fantasy to me.

The wages would be a problem but not the fee I think. They spent nearly £15million on Reus who is an incredible player but had less of a profile than Dzeko when they signed him. I think they would spend £20million on Dzeko (which I believe we'd accept) if they could get around that much for Lewandowski. The wages are the problem but a golden handshake or some other compromise might make a deal possible.

Klopp has already gone public with his admiration for Dzeko but mentioned he'd have to take a wage drop.

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I could see this deal happening myself, Dortmund are prudent but replacing Lewandowski with some unpolished gem would be a risk when they seem to be falling behind Bayern and need strengthening to keep up. Dzeko has proven he can score for fun in the Bundesliga and would be nailed on to bag 20+ a season in Dortmund's direct attacking system.

Dortmund are actually being linked with rag reject Diouf as a replacement, he would be a big risk I think. Doing really well in the Bundesliga but not nearly as good as Dzeko.

 

[MSP]

People ought not get their hopes up over the 'Dzeko to Dortmund' stuff. BVB are a bastion of fiscal prudence and, since their renaissance under Klopp, have built a team on practically nothing. The idea that they'd now go out and blow £20m-£25m + >£100,000 on a player who even most here believe to be, shall we say, limited, sounds like pure fantasy to me.

That limited player was voted as best Bundesliga player 3 years ago and you can bet he is not considered as limited in Germany ;)

He'd have to drop his wages though to move there or anywhere else.

 

[JollyGood]

People ought not get their hopes up over the 'Dzeko to Dortmund' stuff. BVB are a bastion of fiscal prudence and, since their renaissance under Klopp, have built a team on practically nothing. The idea that they'd now go out and blow £20m-£25m + >£100,000 on a player who even most here believe to be, shall we say, limited, sounds like pure fantasy to me.

The wages would be a problem but not the fee I think. They spent nearly £15million on Reus who is an incredible player but had less of a profile than Dzeko when they signed him. I think they would spend £20million on Dzeko (which I believe we'd accept) if they could get around that much for Lewandowski. The wages are the problem but a golden handshake or some other compromise might make a deal possible.

Klopp has already gone public with his admiration for Dzeko but mentioned he'd have to take a wage drop.

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I could see this deal happening myself, Dortmund are prudent but replacing Lewandowski with some unpolished gem would be a risk when they seem to be falling behind Bayern and need strengthening to keep up. Dzeko has proven he can score for fun in the Bundesliga and would be nailed on to bag 20+ a season in Dortmund's direct attacking system.

Dortmund are actually being linked with rag reject Diouf as a replacement, he would be a big risk I think. Doing really well in the Bundesliga but not nearly as good as Dzeko.

I'm pretty sure, there's nothing less important for Klopp than a player's profile. Also, Reus brought some nice financial benefits with him. He's the face of the new Puma campaign and Dortmund signed a huge contract with Puma at the same time. Puma wants to get back into the football market and again rival Adidas in germany, so working with Dortmund was very important There's no way Reus would have got the same deal with Puma, had he signed for another club, especially not with Bayern where Adidas is one of the share-holders. So it was mutual beneficial, Dortmund got a great player, pay less wages than he would have earned at any other club and will make a profit if they sell him before his contract expires while Reus overall makes probably more money than at Bayern and Puma is back in business with one of the best german players and the one most favored club in germany besides Bayern.

There's no way, Dortmund will spend 25million on Dzeko and pay him significantly more money than Götze. Szalai from Mainz is probably the most likely replacement. Can't see them buying Diouf, either. Klopp is one of the best coaches when it comes to improving players individually. He's not only fitting great players into a working system. It's unbelievable how much better players Blaszczykowski, Piszczek, Gündogan, Subotic and Lewandoski became while playing under Klopp compared to before. Reus is already on a different level, as well. I can't see Dortmund buying any player who's already the finished article and won't make a huge profit if he wants to leave in a few years. Dzeko doesn't fit into Dortmund's concept at all.

 

[Maldeika]

People ought not get their hopes up over the 'Dzeko to Dortmund' stuff. BVB are a bastion of fiscal prudence and, since their renaissance under Klopp, have built a team on practically nothing. The idea that they'd now go out and blow £20m-£25m + >£100,000 on a player who even most here believe to be, shall we say, limited, sounds like pure fantasy to me.

The wages would be a problem but not the fee I think. They spent nearly £15million on Reus who is an incredible player but had less of a profile than Dzeko when they signed him. I think they would spend £20million on Dzeko (which I believe we'd accept) if they could get around that much for Lewandowski. The wages are the problem but a golden handshake or some other compromise might make a deal possible.

Klopp has already gone public with his admiration for Dzeko but mentioned he'd have to take a wage drop.

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I could see this deal happening myself, Dortmund are prudent but replacing Lewandowski with some unpolished gem would be a risk when they seem to be falling behind Bayern and need strengthening to keep up. Dzeko has proven he can score for fun in the Bundesliga and would be nailed on to bag 20+ a season in Dortmund's direct attacking system.

Dortmund are actually being linked with rag reject Diouf as a replacement, he would be a big risk I think. Doing really well in the Bundesliga but not nearly as good as Dzeko.

I'm pretty sure, there's nothing less important for Klopp than a player's profile. Also, Reus brought some nice financial benefits with him. He's the face of the new Puma campaign and Dortmund signed a huge contract with Puma at the same time. Puma wants to get back into the football market and again rival Adidas in germany, so working with Dortmund was very important There's no way Reus would have got the same deal with Puma, had he signed for another club, especially not with Bayern where Adidas is one of the share-holders. So it was mutual beneficial, Dortmund got a great player, pay less wages than he would have earned at any other club and will make a profit if they sell him before his contract expires while Reus overall makes probably more money than at Bayern and Puma is back in business with one of the best german players and the one most favored club in germany besides Bayern.

There's no way, Dortmund will spend 25million on Dzeko and pay him significantly more money than Götze. Szalai from Mainz is probably the most likely replacement. Can't see them buying Diouf, either. Klopp is one of the best coaches when it comes to improving players individually. He's not only fitting great players into a working system. It's unbelievable how much better players Blaszczykowski, Piszczek, Gündogan, Subotic and Lewandoski became while playing under Klopp compared to before. Reus is already on a different level, as well. I can't see Dortmund buying any player who's already the finished article and won't make a huge profit if he wants to leave in a few years. Dzeko doesn't fit into Dortmund's concept at all.

Why is that so special?

Gündogan is 22 - has already had a great season with 20 at Nürnberg but then still was doing his A-levels. Last year was his first year he was a full professional - and he needed a while to come into the system.

The Polish guys came to Dortmund very young, too. It is just normal that you start to improve somewhen. They just do the same improvements that the Bayern young ones do, too.

Reus still has to improve. He is great at set pieces and in special counter situations, when he can go with speed - his scorer values are ok because of that - but can improve in open play and against more defensive opponents.

The transfer sum is not the most important - so I cannot see them using more than 20 million for one transfer - as they can invest from the fee they can get for Lewandowski. But I do not think that Dzeko would fit totally in their system and I cannot see him fitting into the wage concept of Dortmund. No - their players do not work for charity, especially not since this year when about ever contract was prolonged to get everybody on a higher level - but it is still very different from City's.

 

[JollyGood]

Why is that so special?

Gündogan is 22 - has already had a great season with 20 at Nürnberg but then still was doing his A-levels. Last year was his first year he was a full professional - and he needed a while to come into the system.

The Polish guys came to Dortmund very young, too. It is just normal that you start to improve somewhen. They just do the same improvements that the Bayern young ones do, too.

Reus still has to improve. He is great at set pieces and in special counter situations, when he can go with speed - his scorer values are ok because of that - but can improve in open play and against more defensive opponents.

I don't really see individual improvements with young Bayern players besides the usual development of a great talent during those years. For example, compare Kroos since he came back from Leverkusen and Gündogan since he joined Dortmund. Kroos is still exactly the same players, the same abilities. He plays on a higher tactical level, fits well into the system, but other than that? Gündogan's game totally changed. I'm actually a Bayern fan, so it's no dig at my own club. I love the way all the young players developed. I'm not saying anyone else is doing a bad job, I just think Klopp's doing an extraordinary job.

 

[decmancity]

Dzeko would score for fun in Dortmund's team. They showed against us they do not sit deep and press a few times and then when they have the ball pass it around looking for the perfect goal.

The game against Spurs last season bar the fourth goal were all from service into Dzeko, the goal v Norwich after 2 mins? was from direct and quick service.

He is a superb player in the right team.

Dortmund would break their structure for a player like Dzeko. A fee of 20m? and 100k a week I am sure would see him join.

 

[bapi]

Dzeko would score for fun in Dortmund's team. They showed against us they do not sit deep and press a few times and then when they have the ball pass it around looking for the perfect goal.

The game against Spurs last season bar the fourth goal were all from service into Dzeko, the goal v Norwich after 2 mins? was from direct and quick service.

He is a superb player in the right team.

Dortmund would break their structure for a player like Dzeko. A fee of 20m? and 100k a week I am sure would see him join.

You're naive. Of course they won't break their wage structure. And I know that one of Hamburg's recent signings, Bundesliga/EL/CL/EURO-experienced is on 20k euro p/w and I know BVB players are not on crazy wages too and they won't change their plan for anyone. Also they could sign guys like Max Kruse for 7, 8 millions rather than spend 25M on one player. Also it was reported that Klopp was thinking about Fake 9 system with Reus upfront so I think Dzeko would have to accept 50% pay-cut. Maybe Leverkusen could be interested too if they'll sell Schurrle but no Bundesliga club will offer more than 70k p/w and he's on 140k at City so it won't be easy to off-load him.

 

[LoveCity]

no Bundesliga club will offer more than 70k p/w and he's on 140k at City so it won't be easy to off-load him.

Diego is on €8.2million/year BEFORE bonuses at Dzeko's old club Wolfsburg, which works out as around £142,000/week (BEFORE bonuses). I bet they'd love Dzeko back considering they're loaded but doing poorly.

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[bapi]

no Bundesliga club will offer more than 70k p/w and he's on 140k at City so it won't be easy to off-load him.

Diego is on €8.2million/year BEFORE bonuses at Dzeko's old club Wolfsburg, which works out as around £142,000/week (BEFORE bonuses). I bet they'd love Dzeko back considering they're loaded but doing poorly.

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They were able to spend some of VW money under Magath and have no chance to sell guys like Kjaer now. But they made a lot of changes off-pitch and want make same mistakes again.

 

[LoveCity]

no Bundesliga club will offer more than 70k p/w and he's on 140k at City so it won't be easy to off-load him.

Diego is on €8.2million/year BEFORE bonuses at Dzeko's old club Wolfsburg, which works out as around £142,000/week (BEFORE bonuses). I bet they'd love Dzeko back considering they're loaded but doing poorly.

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They were able to spend some of VW money under Magath and have no chance to sell guys like Kjaer now. But they made a lot of changes off-pitch and want make same mistakes again.

So you don't think they would pay Dzeko around £120,000/week to bring back a club legend who would guarantee them goals for years?