Lionel Messi | Joins Inter Miami (pg4111)

[riley347]

Why do I have the disappointing suspicion that this will fall through?...

 

[markbmcfc]

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B.Silva or Gundogan!

Think you'd need Bernardo on the right side to help Messi defensively. I see it more like this

 

[Shaelumstash]

Gundogan is not my ideal midfielder and I'm not a huge fan. But it's naive to explain Pep's insistence on playing him just with Pep having a blindspot.

We had a severe injury crisis at CB meaning we needed a better protection from midfield in the form of a double pivot (Rodri + Gundy).

Many on here seem to have completely forgotten that Fernadinho was mostly injured during our run of 14 consecutive wins in the league that made us champions and that Gundogan did replace him at DM brilliantly meaning we conceded just 4 goals over the last 14 games.

So, unlike both Silvas, Gundogan could play with Rodri at DM. Our very best games last season involved both Rodri and Gundogan: Real away and home, Manure away in the cup, Liverpool home.

Pretending to see something better than Pep is like pretending to know better than the best chess player in the world why he loses games sometimes, e.g. by using once chess opening and not another. Chances are you'd be dead wrong. I think some fans don't really understand the huge difference between their knowledge of the game and Pep's. It's really huge.

It’s definitely a blindspot. Pep is like an 80 year old Billionaire married to a Playboy model and he keeps sending her on trips to Vegas and thinks this time she’s not going to get drunk and sleep with Denis Rodman.

 

[alexmcity]

Shit sorry mate, I had no idea. Wasn’t intended to be personal.

Not personal, like being the operative word here. Pep isn't an 80 year old billionaire and you aren't a stupid boy.

Just trust Pep's knowledge a little bit more, is all I'm saying here.

 

[chedinho]

Let me see if I have this right:

Messi and his camp say they have 2 clauses of significance to Barca in the contract:
1. The release clause for 700+ million which ceases to exist after season 2019-20 i.e in 2020-21
2. A clause that enables him to terminate the contract on June 10 2020 of the season and walk. As intimated by Bart in the interview of 2017.
(The June dates for the purposes of this COVID season in player contracts have already been deemed to have moved and to now mean the equivalent of "End of Season" by FIFA) so I contend that this apples here also.

Surely if he exercises his right to 2 then 1 doesn't even apply or any of its intricacy? They cannot impose a term of value onto a contract (as there must be in Spanish law when such a compulsory value is redacted) if there is no contract!

This would mean the only bunfight would be over the exact day in the contract terms. Nobody ever envisaged a season would be this protracted to insert #Days from End of Season in the contract terms as a cut off date for the clause (Unfortunate). So a court may have to decide which date the intentions of the parties had in mind at the time the contract was constructed. I think in such a case Barca would NOT be acting in good faith if they purport they meant June 10th no matter what, as already stated he then could have walked before the CL quarters in effect in mid season.

I think our lawyers have already looked at it and made that decision.
I cannot see us forking out players and cash to the tune of 150 MIllion worth when he walks for free next May, in 9 months anyway.
Barca execs dreaming of rodding us for 300 million are living in their own wet dreams.

I think he’s already told them he’s going on the original date.
but played due to Covid. Barca due to wanting or needing a bit of cash have tried to out flank him with a cunning move.
So to make sure he sends the fax and to make sure he doesn’t get outflanked with another cunning move states he’s not turning up for the test or training and considers himself a free agent.
the question is will we give them anything for the transfer to run smooth. Bearing in mind Messi will have his eye on all that cash.
we aren’t going to pay for him twice.

that seems to make sense with the info you provide and the little that Messi has said publicly.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

It's like Gundohog day in here.

 

[sir baconface]

I’ve found the article from mundo deportivo. Fully translated below:

Pep Guardiola returned to England yesterday and the feeling that he found upon his arrival in Manchester was that there are more and more doubts in his club about the possible incorporation of Leo Messi. At first, the British club were excited about the unexpected possibility of being able to count on the '10', but once the operation has been analyzed with a cool head, it seems difficult for City to really cope with the signing. According to sources close to the board of the ‘citizen’ club in England, they only contemplate the arrival of Leo if he does so with the release letter. In case they have to pay a transfer, they give up trying to transfer.

City has no doubts about what Messi would bring them at the sporting level, but economically the operation does generate many doubts. They know that they are under the magnifying glass of UEFA for the Financial Fair Play, after the 10 million fine imposed in July by the TAS, which saved him from not playing the Champions League for two years, and they do not want to take risks. The signing of Messi forces to readjust the salary mass of the squad, possibly to have to part with some important player and even so it is not easy to assume the record of the one who right now is the highest paid footballer in the world.

For all this, within the City leadership they have come to the conclusion that the signing of Leo Messi, if a transfer has to be paid, is not acceptable. After carefully studying the pros and cons of the operation, the decision seems made. The operation is not viable if you have to pay for the transfer and also assume Messi's record. If the Argentine won the legal battle against Barça and achieved the freedom card, the scenario would change and City will be an option for Messi. Otherwise they will give up fighting for the signing.

In addition, City is not in favor of risking requesting the provisional transfer to FIFA and then waiting for a judge to determine the cost of the operation, since it would have to provision a very high amount of millions and, therefore, it would be necessary to take too many risks.

Pep Guardiola returned to Manchester yesterday after spending a few days in Barcelona. The television cameras ‘hunted’ him at the El Prat airport with his assistant Juanma Lillo. It has not transpired if he has seen himself face to face with Messi, although Catalunya Ràdio did reveal a few days ago that both spoke on the phone. It was a conversation before the burofax sent to Barça, in which Leo communicated his intentions to Guardiola and also wanted to know his predisposition to host him in Manchester. According to what they say, Pep told him that given the economic difficulty of the operation, the best thing he could do was stay at Barça and finish his career at the Camp Nou, an idea that the coach has expressed in public at times. Yesterday the English press, after the illusion of the first days, already changed the speech and listed the enormous economic inconveniences for the City in case of embarking on a million-dollar operation such as the signing of Messi.

The best part of that article was to learn there’s an airport called El Prat.

 

[MCFCSteven]

Why do I have the disappointing suspicion that this will fall through?...

Because it seems too good to be true, but where would Messi go if not here? He won't be playing for Barca when their season starts.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Sure, but it's not like Barca fans are necessarily upset with Messi leaving for the most part, the relationship between fans and the board have gotten so bad most fans support his decision and see it as retribution for the mismanagement of the team. It has gotten hyperbolic at this point, there are sites, mostly social media, where you must praise Messi and insult Barca to not be shouted down.

His production would mask both our and his inefficiencies, his last two seasons still have insane goals + assists. Your next message is also absolutely ridiculous, the best player in the world's effort on a completely mismanaged squad vs your youth team. That just stinks of Twitter twats who think they're smarter scouts than professionals.

Clearly discussing Gundogan but ok.

 

[colesy]

It is amazing how so many outlets are clutching at straws. First Messi to City was viable, because none believed we were an option. Now over the past couple of days, it appears we are the only option for Messi, especially as he has apparently not turned up for training, so now they are playing the "can't afford" card, because we are scared of FFP. There is a chance that he could come on a fee, then why can't a properly run club with a frugal transfer policy afford him, when an almost bankrupt club that have paid overs for some time, so far can?

I trust the people running our club to get us the best deal, some are known to be among the best businessmen around, and personally I will not stress over what is being done to broker this deal. We have the best coach in the world, who can get the best out of the squad in the coming season.

I will see how the next week pans out.