I think it would be helpful if the club made it clear to fans about the chant next time we play them, and that it is the FA that have made the determination that it counts as offensive, not anyone else.The club Safety & Security Manager was notified by his counterpart at Liverpool reference the coach "attack".
The "chant" statement was issued at the behest of our own SAS team, for the reasons I've posted above and in no small way, for the reasons you have given in your post.
The club Safety & Security Manager was notified by his counterpart at Liverpool reference the coach "attack".
The "chant" statement was issued at the behest of our own SAS team, for the reasons I've posted above and in no small way, for the reasons you have given in your post.
An offensive chant is determined by how those that are targeted by it feel, not by the people using the words. Yes they have misunderstood the context (and I think they are now purposely using it to their advantage) but we're banging our heads against a brick wall trying to argue it now the authorities have judged the way they have. That battle is lost in my view but getting that message across will take time and the song will be sung and we'll revisit this over and over for years yet.What are the sanctions?
Perhaps us the fans could do with a Paul Harris to fight our corner and explain legally that it isn't an offensive chant - at least not what they want it to be offensive about - that is the insult - to us.
But - thanks for taking the time to go someway to explaining civilly.
Appreciated.
When our supporters coach was ‘attacked’ a few years ago I had a call from the club at 11.30pm that night to check that I was ok and asked what happened. I’m not sure how they got to know, in fact never really thought about that, was just grateful for the concern.I suppose the thinking was that getting the statement in before the press can report it would be better than Liverpool's pet press men raising it for them. Probably for the best.
Anyone know how the club found out about it so quickly? From Liverpool? The police? Or was it an inside job all along? :O
I feel devastated when we get "have you won the European Cup?" sung at us ; -(An offensive chant is determined by how those that are targeted by it feel, not by the people using the words. Yes they have misunderstood the context (and I think they are now purposely using it to their advantage) but we're banging our heads against a brick wall trying to argue it now the authorities have judged the way they have. That battle is lost in my view but getting that message across will take time and the song will be sung and we'll revisit this over and over for years yet.
Surely you’ve experienced our fanbase over the decades? We’ve got scrotes, scallies and nutters galore. We’re no diffident to most other fanbases, most are exactly the same. There are just a few who play in red who attract every villages’ idiots to support one, the other or the third who are on another level of twattish to the rest.Still makes us look like scrotes
I think we can all agree that the chant is not about Hillsborough which some in the press and certain Liverpool forums are insinuating .An offensive chant is determined by how those that are targeted by it feel, not by the people using the words. Yes they have misunderstood the context (and I think they are now purposely using it to their advantage) but we're banging our heads against a brick wall trying to argue it now the authorities have judged the way they have. That battle is lost in my view but getting that message across will take time and the song will be sung and we'll revisit this over and over for years yet.
I feel devastated when we get "have you won the European Cup?" sung at us ; -(
Does that count?
Nobody has the right to tell me what I mean when words come out of my own mouth.An offensive chant is determined by how those that are targeted by it feel, not by the people using the words. Yes they have misunderstood the context (and I think they are now purposely using it to their advantage) but we're banging our heads against a brick wall trying to argue it now the authorities have judged the way they have. That battle is lost in my view but getting that message across will take time and the song will be sung and we'll revisit this over and over for years yet.