Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Even in a comment about how you supposedly believe the chant isn't related to Hillsborough, you've managed to at least partly blame them for Hillsborough.

Apart from this bit…

So in that sense it includes Hillsborough,

 

[Centurions]

Why can’t we just sing/chant about our own players and club and leave the other stupid, allegedly offensive chants out of it?
Or am being naive? ;-)

Not at all EB, you are however banging your head against the proverbial where some posters are concerned.

 

[Centurions]

Rag. Without a doubt.

So you put them on ignore and then quote them once more? Hmmm...


Whether he's a Blue or not is immaterial TBH, the fact that you think it's important considering the topic speaks more about your character than theirs.

 

[Yankunian]

The 'Always the victims' chant goes back to January 2012 when Rags were at home v Dippers, it was sang in response to Dippers fans booing Evra who was racially abused by Suarez a few months earlier, Dippers as a club chose to wear t-shirts following Suarez being banned in support of him rather than go for 'LFC against racism', this is where the song originates from and they were the reasons behind it, this was told to me by a rag attending season ticket holder

 

[domalino]

Apart from this bit…

Yeah I included that as well in the edit.

It's the root of the problem though isn't it? People still think Liverpool fans are responsible despite 30 years of investigations and inquiries showing that's not the case.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Even in a comment about how you supposedly believe the chant isn't related to Hillsborough, you've managed to say it's about Hillsborough twice and manage to at least partly blame them for Hillsborough.

All clubs should have worked harder to prevent such tragedies, it's not like it hadn't happened before (Bolton, Rangers etc). Liverpool were the unlucky ones in that respect. But it was just different times that only make sense if you lived during them I suppose.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yeah I included that as well in the edit.

It's the root of the problem though isn't it? People still think Liverpool fans are responsible despite 30 years of investigations and inquiries showing that's not the case.

Root of what problem?

Some people think Liverpool fans were responsible; others, like me, don’t.

It’s not a subject that has linear lines of thought. Just because Liverpool fans weren’t responsible for Hillsborough, and SYP were, doesn’t mean there isn’t a pervasive culture of lack of accountability associated with that club.

Maybe it’s connected to the aftermath of Hillsborough, maybe it’s wholly isolated, but it exists and is inveterate.

Are you suggesting it isn’t?

 

[Benjani56]

Rag. Without a doubt.

Thought you were ignoring me mate

 

[Benjani56]

So you put them on ignore and then quote them once more? Hmmm...


Whether he's a Blue or not is immaterial TBH, the fact that you think it's important considering the topic speaks more about your character than theirs.

Thanks, I am a blue FWIW

 

[barney*]

That's not the gotcha you think it is

Are you sure?

 

[Spurs quarter 69]

why I never sing it, stand for it, recognise it or care if people boo it.

the national anthem does not respresnt the majority of the country, but an elite family crammed with peados (or those that hid them), tax dodgers, probable murderers and thieves.

If there was a god I would sing smite the king not save the twat

Viva la repùblica ;-)


Plus bringing up them booing it is a defelction from the conversation over tge two somgs in question.

murderers ? not sure what fans are aiming for, I expect Heysel for most but as one loon in level 3 was screaming child killing cunts on sat so it may be a general acusation for some.

ATV - obviously this is the main contention, they say it's about hilsborough and have convinced the media and FA the same, every fan base in the country says it isn't and when sang is about heysel, racism, sock robbing, fountain pushing and bus attacking etc and them never taking responsibility it is not abput their fans dying, they are the only voice calling it a hilsborough chant.

More the sort of comment I would expect from a rag, a dipper or a Tim, not a blue. GSTK.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's not illegal to boo a national anthem. We don't live in North Korea

I never said it was but it's about showing a bit of respect. This booing is another manifestation of the LFC cult.

If Liverpool fans (most of whom aren't from Liverpool) feel that Liverpool has been treated badly by the Establishment, why don't Everton fans (most of whom are from Liverpool) boo it?

Why don't fans of clubs like Barnsley and others in the Yorkshire coalfields (who suffered far worse and longer-term economic damage than Liverpool) do it?

Why don't Everton or Tranmere fans come out with this 'Scouse not English' shite?

It's just the Liverpool fan "Look at us, we're different from all the rest" cult mentality.

 

[Benjani56]

I never said it was but it's about showing a bit of respect. This booing is another manifestation of the LFC cult.

If Liverpool fans (most of whom aren't from Liverpool) feel that Liverpool has been treated badly by the Establishment, why don't Everton fans (most of whom are from Liverpool) boo it?

Why don't fans of clubs like Barnsley and others in the Yorkshire coalfields (who suffered far worse and longer-term economic damage than Liverpool) do it?

Why don't Everton or Tranmere fans come out with this 'Scouse not English' shite?

It's just the Liverpool fan "Look at us, we're different from all the rest"cult mentality

As I said before I don't understand why more northerners don't boo it. Personally I don't have any respect for the royal family so don't have an issue with anyone booing it

 

[TonyM]

Even in a comment about how you supposedly believe the chant isn't related to Hillsborough, you've managed to say it's about Hillsborough twice and manage to at least partly blame them for Hillsborough.

I thought I said it was to do partly with Hillsborough. I think the chants are partly to do with Hillsborough.

I blame Liverpool partly for what happened at Hillsborough. It was a horrible tragedy but it was bound to happen to some club because the dangers weren't addressed before it happened.

I don't think people should be chanting about it because it's too sensitive a subject.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Show us the bus you bastards!

Irrelevant now, they've had plenty of time to damage it themselves.

The time for a piccy was immediately after it happened.

 

[mexico1970]

Irrelevant now, they've had plenty of time to damage it themselves.

The time for a piccy was immediately after it happened.

Rumour has it that the damage would be easily covered with a tax disk, if the coach would have had one that is.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

Please give an example of when this tragedy has been monetised

They brought out a new kit on the anniversary - one more than one occasion.

Not a penny of the proceeds went to the families of the lads who died. Actually that is a bit of a recurring theme. For the first forty years at least.

 

[domalino]

Root of what problem?

Some people think Liverpool fans were responsible; others, like me, don’t.

It’s not a subject that has linear lines of thought. Just because Liverpool fans weren’t responsible for Hillsborough, and SYP were, doesn’t mean there isn’t a pervasive culture of lack of accountability associated with that club.

Maybe it’s connected to the aftermath of Hillsborough, maybe it’s wholly isolated, but it exists and is inveterate.

Are you suggesting it isn’t?

I think that if people wanted to sing about Heysel, they'd use one of the many songs about Heysel, and if they wanted to sing about defending Suarez, they'd make up a song about that, and Always the victims not being explicitly about Hillsborough gives people what they think is an acceptable fig leaf to sing about Hillsborough being Liverpool fans fault whilst pretending they aren't.

The song might originate in 2012 but the line comes from Boris Johnson's 2004 Spectator article and the aftermath of that blowing up where he says - in an article directly apportioning blame for Hillsborough to Liverpool fans - that they always see themselves as victims and wallow in it.

You can't take a line from something explicitly about Hillsborough, turn it into a chant and then pretend it's not about Hillsborough.

The United fans singing the song in 2012 also made headlines because it was days after the new inquest got announced, and IIRC United apologised and the United supporters Trust had to release statements about it, so its been 11 years since people have known that it's been interpreted as being about Hillsborough.

 

[mexico1970]

And all the while we are talking about this, the cult carry on regardless even going as far as having a celebration on the day of the anniversary of the Heysel incident.

That's not just coincidence it's an indictment of what that club and fanbase stand for.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

They brought out a new kit on the anniversary - one more than one occasion.

Not a penny of the proceeds went to the families of the lads who died. Actually that is a bit of a recurring theme. For the first forty years at least.

Don't forget that bastion of goodwill cantona having his own bug wedge if money from the game played for the families.