Liverpool (h) - CL QF post match thread

Even the late Gundogan goal was onside, nothing was made of it because the tie was already dead.

So that's THREE goals all incorrectly ruled out as offside - one a precious away goal.

Two penalty decisions going against us.

Salah's first goal offside.

Couple that with a smashed up bus and a manager sent to the stands, we might as well not have bothered.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Even the late Gundogan goal was onside, nothing was made of it because the tie was already dead.

So that's THREE goals all incorrectly ruled out as offside - one a precious away goal.

Two penalty decisions going against us.

Salah's first goal offside.

Couple that with a smashed up bus and a manager sent to the stands, we might as well not have bothered.
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When I began following City, I was a bit astonished about many comments that City is often targeted by officials on purpose.
I thought it must be some kind of paranioa and victim behaviour coming from something in the past I didn't know.

More and more I see the imbalance of decisions for and against City but I struggle to find a reason.
Normally I don't tend to call for corrupt tendencies.
But why especially City is done that way is really strange.
And more so the public reaction to that obvious situation, except for City fans' or club's comments.

I wonder if I already have a selective reception about City. I thought not.

It would have been more just to throw dice (err.. at least MY dice, as they honestly aren't manipulated).
And we would have had fresh legs for the fuckin derby.
 
St.Pauli support said:
When I began following City, I was a bit astonished about many comments that City is often targeted by officials on purpose.
I thought it must be some kind of paranioa and victim behaviour coming from something in the past I didn't know.

More and more I see the imbalance of decisions for and against City but I struggle to find a reason.
Normally I don't tend to call for corrupt tendencies.
But why especially City is done that way is really strange.
And more so the public reaction to that obvious situation, except for City fans' or club's comments.

I wonder if I already have a selective reception about City. I thought not.

It would have been more just to throw dice (err.. at least MY dice, as they honestly aren't manipulated).
And we would have had fresh legs for the fuckin derby.
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I think Pep has had his eyes opened to it. He will have initially questioned it as a weak mentality but coming from Barca and Bayern, he can probably now appreciate why we wonder sometimes about the officials.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Even the late Gundogan goal was onside, nothing was made of it because the tie was already dead.

So that's THREE goals all incorrectly ruled out as offside - one a precious away goal.

Two penalty decisions going against us.

Salah's first goal offside.

Couple that with a smashed up bus and a manager sent to the stands, we might as well not have bothered.
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Didn't see the end of that game so messed that disallowed goal was it definitely on side I mean it is getting f****** unbelievable
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Trust me, you’ll feel different when you see us lift that trophy.
Funnily enough, I’m already over the Liverpool business, but still smarting from the derby. The lads are pretty shot, it’s obvious, after the magnificent season they’ve given us. The tiredness is more mental than physical, imo, although the second is not to be discounted.
The return of Mendy could be just the tonic to reinject into the shark team. What a good time for him to come back.
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Same as me. The Liverpool thing hasn't bothered me that much really, the Rag thing still smarts though.
 
malg said:
Same as me. The Liverpool thing hasn't bothered me that much really, the Rag thing still smarts though.
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in all honesty apart from being pissed off on the day/night...none of them have bothered me that much. Usually a derby defeat would leave me pissed for around a week, but because of the bigger picture involved in all of this I have found that it hasnt.
 
There's still people trying to debate Sané's goal was offside annoyingly.

Some people --clutching at straws-- hastily pointed out that the keeper being ahead of him means he'd need two defenders level with him to be onside, the only time that would come into play was from the last moment a City player other than Sané touched the ball... so it's completely irrelevant.

There's been arguments about deflections not counting and it simply bounced off Milner(which is rubbish because he HAD to do it but I'll get to that) so I will try and clear it up once and for all.



If you watch the footage closely there's actually 3 phases and he's onside for all of them:

1) The ball in from De Bruyne is the last time a City player touches the ball other than Sané and the whole Liverpool backline is playing him on. This is the only time Sané could have been offside unless a City player touches the ball after that, which they don't.

2) The point missed by most is Karius comes off his line and punches the ball away, this cannot be a deflection in anyones eyes and pretty much renders the last point moot but even if it reset the offside rule he'd still be onside.

3) Milner clearly moves his knee towards the ball(not a natural movement) and since he intended to get in the way of it, it cannot be considered a deflection. Secondly, who is likely to get on the end of Karius' clearance if Milner doesn't get something on it?(It's Sterling btw) Is it likely Milner was going to risk leaving that ball? Not a chance, so he did mean it.

3 Levels of onside say that goal should have stood.
 
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Metalartin said:
You mean Sané's goal? That was right at the end of the first half and you are correct it was definitely onside:



Some people --clutching at straws-- hastily pointed out that the keeper being ahead of him means he'd need two defenders level with him to be onside, the only time that would come into play was from the last moment a City player other than Sané touched the ball... so it's completely irrelevant.

There's been arguments about deflections not counting and it simply bounced off Milner(which is rubbish because he HAD to do it but I'll get to that) so I will try and clear it up once and for all.

If you watch the footage closely there's actually 3 phases and he's onside for all of them:

1) The ball in from De Bruyne is the last time a City player touches the ball other than Sané and the whole Liverpool backline is playing him on. This is the only time Sané could have been offside unless a City player touches the ball after that, which they don't.

2) The point missed by most is Karius comes off his line and punches the ball away, this cannot be a deflection in anyones eyes and pretty much renders the last point moot but even if it reset the offside rule he'd still be onside.

3) Milner clearly moves his knee towards the ball(not a natural movement) and since he intended to get in the way of it, it cannot be considered a deflection. Secondly watching the footage, who is likely to get on the end of Karius' clearance if Milner doesn't get something on it?(It's Sterling btw) Is it likely Milner was going to risk leaving that ball? Not a chance, so he did mean it.

3 Levels of onside say that goal should have stood.
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That is a very good explanation and is exactly the way I understood it. None of the pundits on BT sport told us this in the post match analysis and the commentators such as mcpoint a lot just glossed over it when it happened. I don't think they understood. Poor.

You could get a job on BT sport? Or maybe not - you know the rules too well and are not biased against City !
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
in all honesty apart from being pissed off on the day/night...none of them have bothered me that much. Usually a derby defeat would leave me pissed for around a week, but because of the bigger picture involved in all of this I have found that it hasnt.
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The two games against Liverpool are still really pissing me off. 1) For the amount of shit decisions against us. 2) because it's scummy Liverpool 3) We've been awesome this season and feel this team could have gone far in champions league.

Like the champions league or not, the longer we go without truly competing in finals or winning finals, Utd and Liverpool will always use it as a stick to beat us with.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
That is a very good explanation and is exactly the way I understood it. None of the pundits on BT sport told us this in the post match analysis and the commentators such as mcpoint a lot just glossed over it when it happened. I don't think they understood. Poor.

You could get a job on BT sport? Or maybe not - you know the rules too well and are not biased against City !
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Haha too true, I also noticed their official highlights for the first leg STILL don't even show the Sterling penalty incident, you would think forgetting it once was enough. I wonder if the studio referee got in trouble for bringing that up... they could have swept it completely under the rug if it wasn't for him.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Even the late Gundogan goal was onside, nothing was made of it because the tie was already dead.

So that's THREE goals all incorrectly ruled out as offside - one a precious away goal.

Two penalty decisions going against us.

Salah's first goal offside.

Couple that with a smashed up bus and a manager sent to the stands, we might as well not have bothered.
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As much as people might be against it, this City side spends that much time attacking and in possession that we seriously need VAR brought in to stop us getting fucked over. Still can't believe how literally no one in the media has mentioned how badly we were done over, it's simply a matter of Liverpool were fucking amazing and Salahs the next Messi. Absolute joke
 
cleavers said:
I've not seen it a replay, I long gave over giving a shit, but is there any actual video proof it was onside ?
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So here is a replay of the full match. Scroll down to the comments to the 2nd half link.

http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/...ity-vs-liverpool-highlights-full-match-video/

Gündogan's goal happened at 80:10 on the match clock.

I think it IS offside.
Sané has to start later, as he is quick enough to use his advantage of pace and also beeing behind the defender.
He has to learn and Pep will have seen several similar moments in that match.
The young lad will get better.
 
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