Liverpool in Pot 2 in next season's CL, Where do we go?

[bainy]

is the champions league
final Berlin 6th June?
6th June seems late?

 

[supermario]

is the champions league
final Berlin 6th June?
6th June seems late?

Just had a quick search but couldn't find much on it...

Seems a few reasons that are being said is : No major tournament that year, German Cup final is scheduled for the week before and Uefa had no other viable City to hold it so had no other choice than to hold it June 6th.

As I say couldn't find anything conclusive and Wembley had to bend over backwards to accomodate them the other year so not sure how true this is!

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I've got my own system which I'll update at some point which shakes it all up, plus I think that the first 2 pots should be for Champions and the other 2 for non-champions, but anyway, here's the top 75 of the rankings if you reduce the coefficient points by 20% per season over the 5 seasons i.e. season 1(100%), 2(80%), 3(60%), 4(40%), 5(20%), thus seeing how recent good form goes up against clubs who did well a few seasons ago or are consistently average, the number in brackets notes the position difference from the actual coefficient rankings:

1) Real Madrid CF 102.91 (-)
2) FC Bayern Munchen 94.8172 (+1)
3) FC Barcelona 91.91 (-1)
4) Chelsea FC 87.6004 (-)
5) SL Benfica 82.1868 (-)
6) Club Atletico de Madrid 77.71 (+1)
7) Manchester United FC 73.4004 (-1)
8) Valencia CF 72.31 (-)
9) Arsenal FC 65.8004 (-)
10) Borussia Dortmund 62.6172 (+5)
11) FC Schalke 04 61.8172 (+3)
12) Paris Saint-Germain FC 60.3 (+5)
13) FC Porto 60.1868 (-3)
14) AC Milan 59.2448 (-3)
15) Juventus 54.8448 (+1)
16) Olympique Lyonnais 52.9 (-4)
17) FC Basel 52.202 (+3)
18) Tottenham Hotspur 50.4004 (+1)
19) Manchester City FC 50.0004 (+3)
20) FC Zenit 49.833 (+1)
21) Bayer Leverkusen 47.6172 (+3)
22) FC Shakhtar Donetsk 46.055 (-4)
23) FC Internazionale Milano 43.8448 (-10)
24) Napoli 43.0448 (7)
25) Olympiacos 42.96 (+2)
26) FC Rubin Kazan 42.733 (-)
27) Sevilla 42.4094 (-4)
28) Galatasaray 39.456 (+8)
29) Lazio 37.4448 (+12)
30) AFC Ajax 36.1586 (-)
31) AZ 35.1586 (+5)
32) Olympique de Marseille 34.9 (-7)
33) PSV Eindhoven 32.9586 (-4)
34) PFC CSKA Moskva 32.333 (-6)
35) FC Dynamo Kyiv 32.2544 (-1)
36) Viktoria Plzen 32.034 (+18)
37) Athletic Bilbao 30.71 (-)
38) Malaga 29.71 (+14)
39) Red Bull Salzburg 28.9 (+7)
40) Sporting CP 28.7868 (-7)
41) SC Braga 28.4868 (-1)
42) Genk 28.348 (+16)
43) Anderlecht 27.448 (+1)
44) FC Metalist Kharkiv 27.355 (+4)
45) Fiorentina 27.2448 (-)
46) Hannover 96 27.2172 (+5)
47) Steaua Bucharest 26.479 (+9)
48) Liverpool FC 26.2004 (-16)
49) VFB Stuttgart 25.7172 (-11)
50) Celtic 25.4626 (+12)
51) Dnipro 25.355 (+19)
52 Villarreal CF 25.11 (-13)
53) FC Kobenhavn 24.772 (-3)
54) Anzhi 24.733 (+21)
55) Fenerbahce 24.656 (-2)
56) FC Twente 24.5586 (-13)
57) PAOK 23.86 (+3)
58) Girondins de Bordeaux 23.3 (-16)
59) Levante 22.51 (+8)
60) Trabzonspor 22.356 (+14)
61) Newcastle 22.0004 (+10)
62) Lille 21.7 (-13)
63) APOEL 21.305 (-2)
64) Spartak Moskva 20.333 (-1)
65) Udinese 19.1448 (+12)
66) BATE 18.45 (-)
67) Fulham 18.2 (-20)
68) Standard Liege 17.248 (-10)
69) AS Roma 17.1448 (-14)
70) Gladbach 16.8172 (+11)
71) Besiktas 16.756 (-7)
72 Sparta Praha 16.034 (+6)
73) SV Werder Bremen 15.8172 (-16)
74 Club Brugge 15.648 (-5)
75) CFR Cluj 15.479 (+5)

 

[supermario]

Surely the most simplistic solution is for City to become more consistent to earn the right to be a top seed. Yes it is a way for Uefa to ensure that the 'prestigious' clubs are guaranteed a supposedly easier route to the latter rounds but City will be up there in a few years anyway. Last season they only just missed out narrowly on finishing top of the group containing the champions of Europe so it can be done and the mould can be broken.

 

[Balti]

Surely the most simplistic solution is for City to become more consistent to earn the right to be a top seed. Yes it is a way for Uefa to ensure that the 'prestigious' clubs are guaranteed a supposedly easier route to the latter rounds but City will be up there in a few years anyway. Last season they only just missed out narrowly on finishing top of the group containing the champions of Europe so it can be done and the mould can be broken.

who gives a fuck

lets just win the league again first and foremost

 

[Daz_Blue]

I've got my own system which I'll update at some point which shakes it all up, plus I think that the first 2 pots should be for Champions and the other 2 for non-champions, but anyway, here's the top 75 of the rankings if you reduce the coefficient points by 20% per season over the 5 seasons i.e. season 1(100%), 2(80%), 3(60%), 4(40%), 5(20%), thus seeing how recent good form goes up against clubs who did well a few seasons ago or are consistently average, the number in brackets notes the position difference from the actual coefficient rankings:

1) Real Madrid CF 102.91 (-)
2) FC Bayern Munchen 94.8172 (+1)
3) FC Barcelona 91.91 (-1)
4) Chelsea FC 87.6004 (-)
5) SL Benfica 82.1868 (-)
6) Club Atletico de Madrid 77.71 (+1)
7) Manchester United FC 73.4004 (-1)
8) Valencia CF 72.31 (-)
9) Arsenal FC 65.8004 (-)
10) Borussia Dortmund 62.6172 (+5)
11) FC Schalke 04 61.8172 (+3)
12) Paris Saint-Germain FC 60.3 (+5)
13) FC Porto 60.1868 (-3)
14) AC Milan 59.2448 (-3)
15) Juventus 54.8448 (+1)
16) Olympique Lyonnais 52.9 (-4)
17) FC Basel 52.202 (+3)
18) Tottenham Hotspur 50.4004 (+1)
19) Manchester City FC 50.0004 (+3)
20) FC Zenit 49.833 (+1)
21) Bayer Leverkusen 47.6172 (+3)
22) FC Shakhtar Donetsk 46.055 (-4)
23) FC Internazionale Milano 43.8448 (-10)
24) Napoli 43.0448 (7)
25) Olympiacos 42.96 (+2)
26) FC Rubin Kazan 42.733 (-)
27) Sevilla 42.4094 (-4)
28) Galatasaray 39.456 (+8)
29) Lazio 37.4448 (+12)
30) AFC Ajax 36.1586 (-)
31) AZ 35.1586 (+5)
32) Olympique de Marseille 34.9 (-7)
33) PSV Eindhoven 32.9586 (-4)
34) PFC CSKA Moskva 32.333 (-6)
35) FC Dynamo Kyiv 32.2544 (-1)
36) Viktoria Plzen 32.034 (+18)
37) Athletic Bilbao 30.71 (-)
38) Malaga 29.71 (+14)
39) Red Bull Salzburg 28.9 (+7)
40) Sporting CP 28.7868 (-7)
41) SC Braga 28.4868 (-1)
42) Genk 28.348 (+16)
43) Anderlecht 27.448 (+1)
44) FC Metalist Kharkiv 27.355 (+4)
45) Fiorentina 27.2448 (-)
46) Hannover 96 27.2172 (+5)
47) Steaua Bucharest 26.479 (+9)
48) Liverpool FC 26.2004 (-16)
49) VFB Stuttgart 25.7172 (-11)
50) Celtic 25.4626 (+12)
51) Dnipro 25.355 (+19)
52 Villarreal CF 25.11 (-13)
53) FC Kobenhavn 24.772 (-3)
54) Anzhi 24.733 (+21)
55) Fenerbahce 24.656 (-2)
56) FC Twente 24.5586 (-13)
57) PAOK 23.86 (+3)
58) Girondins de Bordeaux 23.3 (-16)
59) Levante 22.51 (+8)
60) Trabzonspor 22.356 (+14)
61) Newcastle 22.0004 (+10)
62) Lille 21.7 (-13)
63) APOEL 21.305 (-2)
64) Spartak Moskva 20.333 (-1)
65) Udinese 19.1448 (+12)
66) BATE 18.45 (-)
67) Fulham 18.2 (-20)
68) Standard Liege 17.248 (-10)
69) AS Roma 17.1448 (-14)
70) Gladbach 16.8172 (+11)
71) Besiktas 16.756 (-7)
72 Sparta Praha 16.034 (+6)
73) SV Werder Bremen 15.8172 (-16)
74 Club Brugge 15.648 (-5)
75) CFR Cluj 15.479 (+5)

What pot are number 7 in ? :)

 

[bainy]

is the champions league
final Berlin 6th June?
6th June seems late?

Just had a quick search but couldn't find much on it...

Seems a few reasons that are being said is : No major tournament that year, German Cup final is scheduled for the week before and Uefa had no other viable City to hold it so had no other choice than to hold it June 6th.

As I say couldn't find anything conclusive and Wembley had to bend over backwards to accomodate them the other year so not sure how true this is!

cheers

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Surely the most simplistic solution is for City to become more consistent to earn the right to be a top seed. Yes it is a way for Uefa to ensure that the 'prestigious' clubs are guaranteed a supposedly easier route to the latter rounds but City will be up there in a few years anyway. Last season they only just missed out narrowly on finishing top of the group containing the champions of Europe so it can be done and the mould can be broken.

It's nothing to do with being consistent. We just need to qualify for 5 years in a row, and the fact that we're English virtually guarantees us top seeding. Obviously doing well would make it come quicker.

 

[whp.blue]

Surely the most simplistic solution is for City to become more consistent to earn the right to be a top seed. Yes it is a way for Uefa to ensure that the 'prestigious' clubs are guaranteed a supposedly easier route to the latter rounds but City will be up there in a few years anyway. Last season they only just missed out narrowly on finishing top of the group containing the champions of Europe so it can be done and the mould can be broken.

who gives a fuck

lets just win the league again first and foremost

would love to see us win the league and FA cup next season

the REAL DOUBLE would be amazing I was gutted when we were knocked out of the FA cup this season getting knocked out of the Chumps league never bothered me if I'm honest

 

[BigJoe#1]

They might just scrape Pot 1 in 2015/16 if they qualify but it will be close.

They've no chance, PB. The top 7 this year are Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, Benfica, Athletico, Arsenal and should be joined by Schalke, Dortmund and PSG due to them getting rid of a 3.0 year. Porto should also finish above them too. That's 11 above them so that allows for one or two shocks.
We'd need to win it to have a chance of overtaking them but we should be firmly ensconced in Pot 2 with the rags, should they qualify for the year after.
Happy Days.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2015.html

--------------------------------------------------------10/11----------11/12-----------12/13-----------13/14------------Total
6. Manchester United--------------------36.6714 -------16.0500--------21.2856--------26.3570--------100.364
17. Manchester City------------------------16.6714--------20.0500--------10.2856--------22.3570---------69.364

United will lose 36.6714 points from 2010/11, and will get around 3.5 points next season.
that would leave them with around 68 points.

We will lose 16.6714 points from 10/11 so we'd just need to match that season to overtake the rags, this season we managed 22.357 points.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

I foresee a significant overhaul of the points structure and the rules....