Liverpool - post match thread.

I think he should have stuck with the same team that ended the game v Hull. I was surprised that Sagna didn't play and Kolarov was in at left-back. Aguero is no longer of so much importance to us that he should come straight back in to the side following three straight wins and constant changing of the back four is doing us no good whatsoever.

It's concerning that Pep seems to be repeating the same mistakes. Two subs with 3 mins to go is hardly the stuff of genius. He needed to throw the dice with 20-25 mins to go. Instead it was passive garbage from him. May as well have been Pellegrini managing us. So frustrating.
 
The-Dogs-Pollocks said:
Agreed the second half against le arse was brilliant.
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And most of that transformation from one half to the next was about work rate and general intensity. It stopped the counter attacks and put Arsenal on the back foot. We need to stop thinking it is ok to only flick that switch when things are going tits up though IMO. We start games terribly too often at the moment and I assume that is about attitude.
 
simon23 said:
Hahaha.......exactly this.......

People blame Kun cause they cant blame pep as he is untouchable......
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Yep let's blame a player who has proven to be the greatest striker in this league over the last 25 years. It's just incredible.
 
Lots of flapping going on in here.
Cannot believe people are questioning the likes of Aguero and Silva who are world class players that would grace any 11!
People seem to have forgotten how few teams get a result at klanfield these days.
Thought we were the better team for the first ten mins and pretty much the whole second half.
They did not really over run our midfield as I expected them to so was pleasing to see.
The goal they got resulted from poor decision making from a few of our players when we were in a good attacking position and was compounded by some pretty shoddy defending. That 30 seconds or so of mental aberration cost us the game.
Disappointing at the end of the day but no reason to get too down.
We should definitely give Pep a couple of transfer windows before letting the panic set in.
 
simon23 said:
Runs work rate has gone to another level the year..he has adapted to what Pep wants and improved his work rate....yesterday had nothing to do with Kun...its all on Peps shoulders and people just cant admit this to themselves......certianl players didnt play well but the whole team was set up wrongly and that is down to the manager and no one else.....Kdb was absolutely appalling but some on here seem to have a hard on for wanting Kun gone.....(no idea why)
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His run work rate has improved but his all round game has to improve he was isolated because he was offside never in the 6-yard box KDB was bad pep's mistake was playing Aguero every time sterling got the ball dipper's doubled up on him with Henderson should have benched Aguero and let KDB and sterling play a interchanging free role
 
simon23 said:
Runs work rate has gone to another level the year..he has adapted to what Pep wants and improved his work rate....yesterday had nothing to do with Kun...its all on Peps shoulders and people just cant admit this to themselves......certianl players didnt play well but the whole team was set up wrongly and that is down to the manager and no one else.....Kdb was absolutely appalling but some on here seem to have a hard on for wanting Kun gone.....(no idea why)
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Cant understand why some want him out. The best striker in the prem, club legend and current top goalscorer. Crazy.
 
dubblue said:
Yep let's blame a player who has proven to be the greatest striker in this league over the last 25 years. It's just incredible.
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I know...but like i said people are blaming him yet are failing (or don't want to) see that it is down to Pep and his way of setting up the team and what he is asking those players to do......and i don't mean Kun in that...he has changed and adapted...dropping deep, running his socks off in games, running channels etc.....

But Pep is asking certain players and the team to play in way it cant.....Kolarov, Yaya, Kdb Zabba are all equally at fault cause they are being asked to play in a way that is just unsuitable........
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Aubameyang may or may not be up to Aguero's level generally but he offers something very different from Sergio and I suppose it is about whether what he offers will suit Pep more than what Sergio offers.
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I think he is very high up on Pep's wish list. I think Pep will see a big mobile centre forward and pacey skillful wingers as part of his recipe for success in England.
 
simon23 said:
Im sure its harder than it is but he is making the same mistakes every time we play high energy teams......

for me this is what we should have done yesterday

Bravo

Sagna Stones Ottomendi Clichy
fernando ferna
sterling silva/kdb nolito
kun

Now who you pick out of KDB or silva for yesterday i don't know so thats a very difficult one

Nolito would have given us more work rate and more control in the midfield

Fernando - a shield i front of the back 4

two fullbacks with a bit more pace at least who can also tuck into midfield

Thats with the injuries at present

Without injuries you would have Kompany in there instead of Otto

Maybe Sane instead of Nolito


This is obviously against the better high pressure teams

against the hull's etc you can play more attacking teams and probably drop fernando and play yaya/gundongan and probably silva and kdb...but not all of them against the better teams


You ask the team to stay compact and as a whole unit defensively for the first 20-30mins at least...yesterday the gaps between the 3 parts of the team were huge until the second half when as a outfield unit of 10 we played much more compact and further up the pitch....this should have happened from the onset but we were far too spread out all the time.....huge mistake but that is on Pep

We can do it...we have done it.....but he is only changing it when either he needs to or is reacting to something (which is an upset from Pellergrinis not even reacting to it!)
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None of all this mattered yesterday. So I fail to see your point. Liverpool was simply as dogged, and they got away with a victory.
 
We don't have horses for courses, so to speak. We are very predictable, we win games because we have better players not because we are reinventing the game of football

There are so many things wrong with this 'team' it beggars belief. One of which is that we don't play as a team, we have 5/6 top players and the rest are average, bone idol or both.

I read a stat on here which shows how mismanagemed we are - we have not spent money on a full back since 2011!
 
BAB.DAB said:
His run work rate has improved but his all round game has to improve he was isolated because he was offside never in the 6-yard box KDB was bad pep's mistake was playing Aguero every time sterling got the ball dipper's doubled up on him with Henderson should have benched Aguero and let KDB and sterling play a interchanging free role
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Kdb was dreadful yesterday.....

Kun was at least holding the ball up and bringing in sterling at times....Kdb couldn't hit a 5 yd pass yesterday

Kun was caught offside few times but this happens....Im not sure its a reason why he should be sold though as some are suggesting........(Im being slightly sarcastic btw but its seems to be a small part of an argument being put forward)

the problem lies in what Pep is asking the whole team to do.......they cant do it against teams that play in certina high energy styles.....Yaya...constantly getting robbed of the ball.....kdb as well......kolarov getting forward so far that he cant get back (how many times does Pep have to see this before he changes it?????)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yet the stats show we win more without him in the team than with him.
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I would rather have been with him than against him in this league over the last 5/6 years. Not a big stats man as it can be quite misleading at times. Are we talking over his whole time as a City player when he has been absent we have gained more points on average? I'm not convinced either of our titles would have been won with another striker in his place.
 
Dax777 said:
None of all this mattered yesterday. So I fail to see your point. Liverpool was simply as dogged, and they got away with a victory.
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That was the last point in a conversation i was having with another poster......where we were saying what could have been done differently.......I think those changes would have made a difference to the result and that is the team i would ave put out and asked them to do certain things (at least in the first half)
 
Lancet Fluke said:
I just don't think Aguero will change. He could walk into most teams in the world playing the way he wants to play so I'm fairly sure that is what he will do.
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And that's why he will never be world class look at the difference between Aguero and Luis Suarez similar ability but Suarez works hard and his all round game is better the simple things like passing and ball retention Aguero has been poor at these for the last two seasons
 
simon23 said:
I know...but like i said people are blaming him yet are failing (or don't want to) see that it is down to Pep and his way of setting up the team and what he is asking those players to do......and i don't mean Kun in that...he has changed and adapted...dropping deep, running his socks off in games, running channels etc.....

But Pep is asking certain players and the team to play in way it cant.....Kolarov, Yaya, Kdb Zabba are all equally at fault cause they are being asked to play in a way that is just unsuitable........
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I'm falling between two stools here because I essentially agree with what you're saying. I have massive issues when we are talking about systems that apparently can't accomodate world class players. But the key point is that rightly or wrongly, Pep is our manager and he does things his way. I think it is fair to say that many people at the club are obsessed with him so he isn't going to get the bullet or be told he has to play to the strengths of the players he has. So it is utterly futile at this point to say that Pep should do this or do that, the reality of the situation is that Pep will do what he likes and if certain players don't suit Pep then they will be the ones who go whether they are world class or not.
 
simon23 said:
I know...but like i said people are blaming him yet are failing (or don't want to) see that it is down to Pep and his way of setting up the team and what he is asking those players to do......and i don't mean Kun in that...he has changed and adapted...dropping deep, running his socks off in games, running channels etc.....

But Pep is asking certain players and the team to play in way it cant.....Kolarov, Yaya, Kdb Zabba are all equally at fault cause they are being asked to play in a way that is just unsuitable........
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I think the real problem is Pelegrini. Folks spent so much time convincing themselves he was the problem last year, that now they are confused when the team they thought was being killed by the worst manager ever, is now acting similarly under the best manager ever.

But funny enough, I think the player bashers have luckily stumbled on the truth. We don't have the best players in the league. Thus, we are not going to dominate...

When Pellars had the best players, he won the league, when Pep does too, he'll win the league. Until then, we are just a close to the top table team struggling for consistency.
 
SWP's back said:
Well that and he's been playing shit (when not banned) recently.
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One ban was deserved...the other i don't think so

its got to such a level of failue to see or even denial with some fans that pep has got it wrong that some are now suggesting/intimating that Kun gets himself banned deliberately so he can have a break......Im sorry but this is just absolutely laughable.......its denial cause the other alternative which is at least much more plausible is that at present Pep is getting his team set up wrong and its not getting the best out of all the players (Kun and everyone else)
 
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