Liverpool - post match thread.

[GY.Blue]

Arsenal?

Ok mate fair enough but it's a very rare occasion that we beat a top 6 side.

 

[Mike D]

One thing is for sure; this current squad can't play the way Pep wants.

We need two quick & aggressive full backs. We need a top centre backs who's powerful and dominant aerially. We need more legs in centre midfield, there's only so much energy you could expect from tonight's trio of Yaya (33), Fernandinho (31) and Silva (30).

Pep also needs to adapt to the league, there are times where he WILL have to go a bit more direct. Every team who has won the Premier League went direct at times! Ferguson's teams were always direct, Wenger's teams where before he stopped it and never won anything since, Mourinho's teams always are, we were under Mancini, Leicester were last season with Ranieri. The Premier League is a very physical and very direct league, whether Pep likes it or not.

Liverpool blocked off the channels into our attacking midfielders and we seemed totally clueless on how else to attack. Where was the switches out to our wingers so they can go 1v1 against the full back? Where was Aguero making runs in behind into the space Clyne and Milner were leaving?

Agreed we certainly have the personell to do the job Pep is asking. It's been a steep learning curve but given time he will nail it. You need a lot of luck football along with the know how. Today was a lesson Klopp gave Pep from the ones he had from last season. All is not lost the signs are there Pep can't simply sprinkle his magic dust and all will be well. This new phase will take time and personell. But I agree Pep will need to adapt be more aggressive in your face if he hopes to achieve.

 

[Peggy's a blue]

Sad to say if i picked up the Daily Fail tomorrow to read he'd done a Steve Coppell it would not break my heart. I am too old to put up with a 5 year plan,instant reward is what i desire.

Fuck me you are a stalwart, you mean like Pellegrini who inherited a better squad. We have lost a game by the narrowest of margins this was always going to be transitional have a bit of faith.

Steve coppell wtf you are struggling with that one pal, sounds to me like the short term thinking that has got us where we are, yes we should be better, but patience is required, this time last year klopp was celebrating an equaliser against West Brom, now he is a genius with this high press nonsense catch yourself on things will be better given time :-)

 

[sir baconface]

Pep: "We have to focus on the next game, not on the target or the Premier League, now is Burnley. Now we start the second road..."

What a comedown from pre- and early season optimism. Yeah, let's focus on Burnley. We might get three points and keep the rags from up our arses.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

All these posters with the "it will all come good in the end" need to ask themselves this. Why? When was the last time Pep turned round an underperforming team? He has always started with the finished article. It doesn't mean he won't but it is no certainty. What pisses me off is he doesn't know the difference between evolution and Revolution. It is no excuse to say some of the players aren't up to it - if that's the case a good manager would play to the strengths of the team and evolve the style not go straight to it. No surprise that all our defenders had the most passes - says it all. My missus said at one throw in - why is my sons team are always taught to throw up the line and City always throw backwards down the line. We are too obsessed with building from the back when our players aren't up to it. Oh well - always got the FA Cup - well, until Friday when Pep pisses about with a back 2 or some other genius decision that shows how much better than us mere mortals he is

Well for a start Barcelona were not the finished article at all. They had stagnated under Rijkaard and Pep was promoted from the Barca B team after impressive results. Barcelona at the time of him coming in were under performing and had negative influences within the dressing room which Pep removed. Do your homework and he actually started off at Barca with not very good results, and some of the Barcelona fans wanted him gone. What he did do was stick to his ways and asked the team, those that he wanted, to trust in his methods.....eventually proving right.

Klopp has had more time than Pep both in the league and at his club, in order to get his ideas across. Klopp's results at that time when he first arrived were up and down.

It was never going to be an easy ride this season, far from it. As I have mentioned before, those first 10 games were a freak. A series of results that made some think he had walked in and would run away with it this year.

Let him get his team, because our team at the moment is far from it.

 

[GY.Blue]

United?

Yeah exactly a mid table side.

 

[CrownPointBlue]

I think some of the critisism I've read is a bit harsh.

We played Liverpool at anfield where we never win. They are also the leagues top scorers yet they played with no striker and put 10 men behind the ball.

There's a couple of donkeys at the back in Kolorov and otamendi and those two along with a few aging players like zaba, sagna and toure all probably need to be replaced but I'm sure pep knows it and the defence will get sorted for next season.

Aguero looks like he needs a partner or at least some real support from an attacking midfielder. He's far from past it. Gabriel Jesus?

It's disappointing losing and being 10 points off Chelsea but I honestly still believe that long term under pep were gonna be just fine.

I also think on reflection that Pellegrini actually did ok considering the defenders we've employed over the last 3-4 seasons.

Pellers won the league with the core of Bobbys team who were rejuvenated for 9 months before he and they lost interest again. Last seasons league form was mainly awful,we threw the FAC & our 2 performances in the CL Semi were anti climatic.

The club has been put on hold for four years waiting for Pep and we've underachieved substantially as a result. It remains to be seen whether that policy will be proven right or whether they should've backed Bobby with Hazzard,Sanches,de Rossi,Van piss pot & Javi Martineze after 93-20.

We need a rebuild & a coach that adapts to the unique league he's coaching in because if he doesn't things won't change that much. The rest of the league won't change to suit us/him.

I didn't think we were bad today,but if you don't shoot you don't score & having been a goal down from so early on it was incredible that we didn't make changes after 65 minutes to get more chances in their final third & box.

Pep surprises me,I thought he could've done much more,much earlier. Another wasted opportunity.

 

[valleyblue]

This is the Liverpool post match thread. What did Bravo contribute to us losing the game today? Did I mistakenly not see him push the ball into his own net for the Liverpool goal? Or did he inadvertently kick/throw the ball to an opposition attacker - who then capitalised immediately by scoring against us?

No? I though not.

Fair comment re the thread, perhaps I posted too quickly following the game he does however frustrate me massively. Anyway have a great new year and bring on the clarets!

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Only raheem and silva can hold their heads high after that.

Fernandinho and kun were absolutely shite, inexcusable considering they just had a break.

Kolarov is just done. It's embarrassing. Angelino must be so,so pissed off.

As for Pep, he's an idiot. Is he trying to piss Navas and kelechi off with his dithering over the subs?

 

[dronefromsector7G]

It winds me up to fuck, pal.....

I reckon half of the posters can't get his name right. He's only been with us six years.

 

[tommo74]

Pep chose bravo for his distribution? Every kick tonight to a red shirt, said it before and will say it again we are no better than last season, call me ignorant tell me i dont know football all the usual rubbish, sorry to say it but pep aint no genius

 

[Dazzle84]

Poor performance from most of the side, usual go-to players like dinho and de bruyne were very poor and aguero was a complete waste of space - people will say he's had no service but part of that is his own fault for not showing - one point in first half we were flying down the left and he's in the centre circle. Big kick up his arse needed

 

[Mike D]

I have watched city since 1976 (gulp) seriously I have never seen a worse keeper in all that time, delighted Pep is here and am sure he will make us into a fantastic team, however he has to admit Bravo is a mistake.

In Spain he was a legend but like many others who gave failed here he is a flop, put him out of his misery give torsion bravo beg Hart to come back

 

[the plasterer]

what has the manager had to say in after match interview?? we played well etc etc

 

[HarrytheBlue]

KDB was also absolutely woeful today. Should have been subbed for sure.

Opposing teams only need one chance to score against us. No Joe Hart getting the crowd on its feet with match winning save after match winning save. Not saying Joe would have saved that header, but he would have made a monumental effort, dived full length with a lot of spring and probably got something on it. Bravo has no spring. He gives the opposition hope.

 

[deafmanstevo]

One result has changed our season to hoping for a top 4 finish as opposed to a title win. I think we need Chelsea to start beating the other top teams now, starting with Spurs.

No still a long way to go. Hope Spurs beat the chavs , we beat burnley , if we get our arses in gear in the 2nd half of the season , we could beat Chealsea at away that just leaves 4 points to catch up, Chelsea and the other teams could go through a bad spell , no we can't give up yet.
Remember our title winning seasons we had no chance yet still won, wasn't united something daft like 16 points behind newcastle yet still won the league.

Never give up till the fat woman sings, come City on Monday and Come on Spurs on Weds.

 

[willipp]

Disappointed but not too down. Klopp's had a 12 month head start on Pep. Tonight again for me our 'big' players simply weren't at it. Silva, KDB, Toure, Kun, Raz, Ferna, all IMO well below their best.

I do wonder whether mentally going into games with such enormous weaknesses at full back is affecting the players further forward.

If we don't buy defenders this month then you can take it to the bank we've given up on the title and are going to be focussed solely on the CL and making sure we finish top 4.

Wish you'd of been right with your yaya up front prediction, might of given us a forward pass or ball forward to work off. In all seriousness, when we are so weak at the back it must impact the other players. One chance from our free kick on the edge of their box and in 10 seconds we concede. Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have all exploited it, no wonder the players seem lacking confidence.

 

[117 M34]

Opposing teams only need one chance to score against us. No Joe Hart getting the crowd on its feet with match winning save after match winning save. Not saying Joe would have saved that header, but he would have made a monumental effort, dived full length with a lot of spring and probably got something on it. Bravo has no spring. He gives the opposition hope.

So what you are saying is that if Joe Hart played today we would still.have lost 1 0?

 

[HarrytheBlue]

In Spain he was a legend but like many others who gave failed here he is a flop, put him out of his misery give torsion bravo beg Hart to come back

Opposing teams only need one chance to score against us. No Joe Hart getting the crowd on its feet with match winning save after match winning save. Not saying Joe would have saved that header, but he would have made a monumental effort, dived full length with a lot of spring and probably got something on it. Bravo has no spring. He gives the opposition hope

 

[mancity1]

Effectively out of the title race early doors for the third season running. I'd love to know what the hierarchy are thinking

They would be disappointed but I suggest not surprised.

Its been downhill for over a fair time now and we haven't recruited well in that time in terms of keeping up with the Jones so to speak.